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Did you know... that social media influencer Andrew Tate described himself as "absolutely a misogynist"?

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By any chance could you mention Andrew tates fitness product

The products I’m talking about is fireblood made by Andrew tate JammyDole (talk) 16:00, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why would we do that? Theroadislong (talk) 16:19, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It’s one of his products JammyDole (talk) 19:46, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So it should be mentioned amongst his other products, War room and Hustlers university JammyDole (talk) 19:47, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm having trouble finding secondary sources that mention this product. Do you know of any? 〜 Askarion ✉ 22:51, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I’m also having trouble when it comes to finding secondary sources as well. I can find the primary sources such as Andrew Tates Advertisement on it but I can’t find any secondary sources

advertisement : https://rumble.com/v4fo4gl-1-800-dont-be-gay-fireblood.html JammyDole (talk) 02:45, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And yes it is literally called “1-800 don’t be gay” so you should probably carefully consider if it should even be considered to be added to the article JammyDole (talk) 02:47, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Until it is discussed in secondary sources there is nothing to consider. AndyTheGrump (talk) 03:04, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is about the best I could find for when it comes to secondary sources

https://gymfluencers.com/fire-blood-by-andrew-tate-is-it-worth-the-hype/ JammyDole (talk) 06:49, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NOTAFORUM and experienced users should no better

AndyTheGrump, if this BS is actually true, its sheer homophobia might make it noteworthy at some point. Tamzin, if I get a bottle of this, will that cure my recent bout of total gayness? Drmies (talk) 21:20, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Drmies: Personally my recommendation to cure gayness is 2mg estradiol sublingual t.i.d. + 50mg spironolactone b.i.d. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe) 21:39, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh Tamzin thx for reminding me--I forgot to take my fiber pills this morning! I'll ask my regular weed and meth guy about the things you mentioned. Drmies (talk) 21:45, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I *think* you're wanting me to grow breasts and stop being so sexy??? Drmies (talk) 21:47, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, if you're trying to reverse the vandal magic that turned you gay, one half of "man attracted to men" is way easier to fix than the other. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe) 21:57, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Andrew Tate has been known for loving the LGBTQ community! He would never say any homophobic slurs would he……… JammyDole (talk) 01:05, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This page has a bunch of lies

Andrew Tate is not "far-right", whatever that means. He has never excirsized racial superiority online. Also, he described himself as a misogynist with sarcasm after being called a mysoginist multiple times by the media. The over-using of sources at the beggining shows the cherry-picking and framing in this page. I don’t like Andrew Tate, but lying or misleading on Wikipedia is not good. Hopefully this page gets redone. MicholIsUsed (talk) 21:15, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

MicholIsUsed, if there is an over-use of sources, it's probably because sometimes it requires proof that the sky is blue. But having so many sources is really the opposite of cherry-picking, isn't it. Drmies (talk) 21:18, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It’s cherry picking because the people who created this page wanted to paint a specific narrative and that’s easier to do using cherry-picked sentences from sources. Still didn’t adress the 'far-right' claim or the fact that him saying 'I’m a misogynist' in sarcasm when the media described him like this time and time before isn’t him saying 'I hate wommen'. I wonder why the page doesn’t quote him saying 'I absoleutly love wommen', he says that a lot and without sarcasm. Is that not cherry-picking? I never thought I’d be defending Andrew Tate. MicholIsUsed (talk) 21:25, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Isn't 'I love women' (by a misogynist) akin to 'I can't be racist, I have Black friends' (by a racist)?

As stated, Wikipedia uses what reliable sources say. Knitsey (talk) 22:03, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The article does not actually say that Tate himself is far-right. The furthest it goes is in the lead when it says that Tate is "associated with far-right activists and ideologies" and in the § Views and influence section when it says that he "has ties to the far-right". The available sources suggest both of these statements are true. 〜 Askarion ✉ 03:32, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

He is not associated to the far-right in any way. The far-right are ultra-nationalists, racists, usually anti-semites and anti-blacks. They also support authoritarianism, nativism, also 'ultra-conservativism', which Andrew always says (in a nutshell) 'these are the conditons I live in, you can live however you want' and he doesn’t even promote 'ultra-conservativism' on a personal level either - he brags about sleeping with hundreds of wommen, which is as far from ultra-conservativism as you get. Andrew Tate has never talked to a National Socialist or a Fascist online and doesn’t express their views, neither economically or politically. He is mixed-race, has never supported racism, anti-semitism or any of that bs. So, he isn’t far-right, not ascosiated with far-righties and has never supported the far-right. So, these 'reliable' sources are not so reliable. MicholIsUsed (talk) 07:20, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm afraid "here's my personal views on Andrew Tate and why he can't be associated with far-right figures" don't undo his documented associations with Tommy Robinson, Paul Joseph Watson, Jack Posobiec and other members of the far-right - all sourced in the article. On Wikipedia we go with what reliable sources say, not editor's personal analyses of the far-right. ser! ^{(chat to me - see my edits)} 09:14, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just because he talked and agreed on some subjects with people having untraditional views, it doesn’t make him assosciated with the far-right, neither practically, nor in the general public. MicholIsUsed (talk) 10:10, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So what you're saying is just because he's associated with, agreed with, and promoted far-right ideologies, doesn't mean he's associated with the far-right? Reliable sources beg to differ on this, for good reason. [1][2][3][4] CNC (talk) 22:37, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Far-right is indeed ridiculous, I'm not even sure he is considered right-wing --FMSky (talk) 15:57, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As explained above this is about association with the far-right, not Tate's political views of being far-right. Even the right-leaning Telegraph see Tate has right-wing,[5], as does the left-leaning Independent.[6] I don't deny the content could be improved based on more recent sourcing, will work on that, but the content is very much verifiable. @FMSky Do you have any reliable sources that contradict Tate as being right-wing and associated with far-right ideologies, to add to the content? Some recent sourcing that's probably worth adding to the body for context sake as well: "While not explicitly far right, Tate’s messaging calls on the western “common man” to wake up, and he has shared far right propaganda, such as great replacement theory memes." [7] CNC (talk) 16:16, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In absence of reliable sources contradicting Tate being right-wing, associated with far-right ideologies and individuals, as well as promoting far-right propaganda, I've improved the sourcing and updated content. Thanks to all involved for motivating me to improve sourcing and update the content with the latest controversies, without you it wouldn't of happened :) CNC (talk) 22:40, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So last time I checked Tate was never described as far-right, but since the riots, he's achieved that description. Have therefore updated the body and the lead accordingly to reflect this new achievement based on multiple references describing Tate as both right-wing and far-right. As far as I can tell there is currently a balance between both descriptions based on RS, so this has otherwise been reflected. CNC (talk) 23:32, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I forgot that being against illegal mass immigration is considered being far-right / neo-nazi these days, so yes it makes sense now -- FMSky (talk) 02:25, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lol, we both know it's not why he's described as far-right now. Spreading misinformation online about the Southport suspect, namely that he is a Muslim and/or immigrant , will likely get you that label these days, when you're amplifying far-right propaganda for a bunch of fascists. Even if setting fire to hotels housing migrants might not be considered "extreme right-wing" for some, even the right-wing papers think it's a bit much and not a good look either. Also, once you start spreading the "great replacement" conspiracy theory, then you're mingling a bit too much with the white nationalists aren't you? CNC (talk) 09:28, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is everybody alright? Those are very opinionated and thats great we are all entitled to it . I donot think that this is the place for all the hate and personal issues.

This should be a safe place for FACTS ONLY. 2603:80A0:401:F75E:4EE2:D947:A1C5:82C7 (talk) 19:07, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Andrew tate mistake / typo

The US marine Sergeant WAS NOT DISMISSED, Andrew Tate's claims were

Same linked article states "A federal judge dismissed Tate's claims against the Marine" 95.160.240.159 (talk) 19:54, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hopefully this edit made it more clear. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 19:59, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why is Tate called a "previously" self-described as a misogynist i.e. why is that worded as non-current?

Sources reliable and otherwise e.g. The Guardian, BBC News, The Independent CNA, The Nation, The Standard and even GB News (to name a clearly right-wing source) and Jacobin (to name a clearly left-wing source) still call Tate a "self-described/proclaimed misogynist" when reporting on the recent police raid on Tate's place, and thus should we. Almost all use the same wording, making it very clear that the inclusion of this descriptor (in present tense) is appropriate. Cortador (talk) 20:48, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Good point, well made. Change

Done. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 11:37, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers! Cortador (talk) 19:41, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For reference this was a point of contention recently, and has been discussed numerous times over the years, and was otherwise changed from primary to secondary sources along the way. This otherwise all comes back to the 2021 interview (see views and influence section and quote there), but it seems like RS run with the descriptor regardless of the fact it's three years old now. It's hard find to find reliable sources not reference it these days, even if it's somewhat circular at this point. CNC (talk) 11:50, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The BBC is now putting misogynist in their own voice BilledMammal (talk) 12:23, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Since Tate Has A New Legal Case, The "as of July" Claim In The Lede Section Is Outdated And Should Be Updated

A legal case is defined differently than criminal charges and relates to an inquiry.[8] Despite not yet being charged, Tate would even appear in court for these allegations.[9] It should now claim five cases in the UK and Romania as of August 2024.Speakfor23 (talk) 16:11, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Have updated,[10] apologies didn't notice the broken cite was referencing a new investigation. Per current sourcing in use, BBC's previous article referenced an expanded scope of the same investigation. Is there any source for these new so-called charges? Per WP:HEADLINES the latest BBC article has done a sloppy job and doesn't appear to reference them in thecontent. CNC (talk) 16:22, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Have updated "legal cases" to "investigations" per WP:SUSPECT. The previous wording was in fact accurate and up to date, but the latest investigation is no doubt due for the MOS:OPEN so have corrected wording. CNC (talk) 16:55, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bridget Phillipson

Bridget Phillipson is no longer Shadow Education Minister, she is the Education Minister following the change of UK government. Christopherbrian (talk) 13:26, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed have corrected to "the Shadow Education Secretary at the time". The fact she became Education Secretary since then is somewhat irrelevant, ie she hasn't spoken out about Tate since assuming her new role. CNC (talk) 13:47, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

assertion Tate is a self-proclaimed misogynist

Source 13 claims to support the assertion Tate is a self-proclaimed misogynist. The source does not support the claim, does not quote him stating he is a misogynist nor does it evidence this. It simply regurgitates mainstream media assertions that 'Tate is a self-proclaimed misogynist.' This is an unreliable source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.7.117.135 (talk) 19:44, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Ellie Ng article includes the direct quote of Tate saying I will state right now that I am absolutely sexist and I'm absolutely a misogynist. Chaheel Riens (talk) 21:05, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reliable sources are not considered unreliable sources here. The multiple sources you refer to reference Tate as a self-described misogynist multiple times. This is because he self-described as a misogynist once upon a time. CNC (talk) 21:13, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]