Talk:Anti-Azerbaijani sentiment in Armenia

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Clean up[edit]

I've stared to clean up the article, and remove what is not Anti-Turkism. To be against Azerbaijan during the Nagorno Karabakh war, is not Anti-Turkism, not directed against Turkic people, but against Azerbaijan. Then a to of info is also not IN Armenia what the article suggests.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 23:52, 26 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with removing that because it's not in Armenia. But, removing because it's not against all Turkic peoples, but just against Azerbaijanis is wrong. It can contain violence/massacre against any single Turkic people, doesn't have to be against all of them. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 08:19, 27 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There are still many events left which did not happen in Azerbaijan. I'll remove them, if you can't source with reliable sources that those events happened in places in Armenia.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 04:46, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'll start to remove some moreParadise Chronicle (talk) 15:42, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Do you really think the COE and PACE politicians claim that there exists Anti-Turkism in Armenia? I could remove much more, but I'll see how the discussion goes.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 17:01, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

What? I don't understand your question but I'll reply to another point you keep wrongly bring up. "Anti-Turkism" doesn't have to be against all Turkic people. One doesn't need to hate Kazakhs, Turkmens, Azeris, Turkish, Kyrgyz all at same time to be "Anti-Turkism". It can be that when one hates any of those groups. If you want to be specific, then this article can be renamed to "Anti-Azerbaijani sentiment in Armenia" since this article solely focuses on that anyway. I'm waiting until the deletion is closed to move it to that (if the result of delete discussion is keep). — CuriousGolden (T·C) 18:40, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"Racism in Armenia" listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Racism in Armenia. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 January 1#Racism in Armenia until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 19:51, 1 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Moves[edit]

I moved the page several times and to not appear as the creator of the page, I only moved the page and did not create a new page and redirect Anti-Turkism in Armenia to the new page.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 09:23, 3 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

POV edits[edit]

@MarshallBagramyan: What I think was POV? Changing this:

On 10 August 1990, possibly much as 20 Azerbaijani civilians were killed in a bombing in Goygol, perpetrated by 2 Armenians.

to this:

The 10 August 1990 a bombing in Goygol, which resulted in as many as 20 dead, was blamed on 2 Armenians.

The word "blamed" is used when someone was sentenced for something they hadn't done. Per the sources provided in this article and the ones in 1990 Tbilisi–Agdam bus bombing, there is zero evidence of that. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 15:06, 7 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The early 1990s was a period of immense political, social, and economic instability and uncertainty. Given the intense passions that govern the editing of articles in this subject area, and the fact that, let's face it, most of the sources they rely on are usually sub-par, then we have to treat most of the claims made, especially about terrorists and bombings, with a grain of salt. Unless there are some good secondary sources written by historians who have made extensive use of archives and newspaper accounts then, this is the sort of the wording we have to sadly resort to.Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 02:05, 8 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"Blamed" doesn't indicate uncertainty, it indicates false conviction. If you have a source for that, please provide it. Otherwise, the usage of the term is WP:OR. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 08:21, 8 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

If that doesn't work for you, how about we instead say "An Azerbaijani court found two Armenians guilty of carrying out the attack"?Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 13:58, 8 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'd rather delete the whole thing since it didn't happen in Armenia. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 14:05, 8 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]