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This is a racist page

A lot of editting needs to take place. Also need to mention that arabs consider themselves "roum orthodox"

Thanks

Thanks to everyone who has helped on this page. Seth J. Frantzman (talk) 18:59, 10 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Demographics claim

Can someone add a citation to the claim that Orthodoxy is the most prominent denomination of Christianity? I don't dispute it, but I feel like there should be numbers to back up this claim. --Crushti (talk) 20:26, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Have you been to palestine latley? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.225.76.144 (talk) 01:56, 25 March 2009

1909 petition

it was not just a petition, it was detailed in Khalil al-Sakakini diary and as i read it (in arabic) it seemed that the people refused to deal with the clergy for some time, the reason was that the greek clergy had full control over the assets and money of the church and khalil sakakini described them as corrup etc... there were no arab bishops etc... in the end a govermental commission was set up and the 2 parties reached a compromise. --Histolo2 (talk) 23:07, 24 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Church of Antioch?

The focus here seems entirely on issues within the jurisdiction of the Eastern Orthodox Church of Jerusalem. Is there any material to add about Orthodox Arabs under the jursidiction of the Eastern Orthodox Church of Antioch? Wouldn't the sizable Orthodox community in Lebanon fall under that umbrella?

Also, are there any Arab-speaking Orthodox believers who fall under the Eatern Orthodox Church of Alexandria? Or would they all be members of the Coptic Church? --Jfruh (talk) 02:52, 22 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

There's no such thing as Arab Orthodox

All the Greek Orthodox Christians in the Middle East refer to themselves as Greek Orthdox (or Roum Orthodox) not the ridiculous term Arab Orthodox. This article should be deleted, or merged with Greek Orthodox. Besides, the Greek Orthodox in the Middle East are the descendants of Byzantine and Antiochian Greeks, not Arabs. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.171.161.222 (talk) 20:50, 4 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The "Arab Orthodox" terminology/polemics is specific to Israel and Jordan = the areas under the nominal jurisdiction of the Patriarchate of Jerusalem, where autochthonous “Levantine Greco-Rûm” Christian priests and community leaders (natives of Jerusalem, Haifa, Lydda, Nazareth, Ramallah, Bethlehem, Northern Israel, and Northern Jordan) have been fighting a sort of “cold culture war” against the “European Greek” high-clergy. This cultural-political phenomenon is specific to the Southern Middle East (Israel, the West Bank and Jordan) and thus doesn’t concern the “sister Church” in the North = the Greek Orthodox Church of Antioch (Syria, Lebanon and Southern Turkey).

Members of all Greek Orthodox and Greek Catholic churches of Southern Turkey and the MENA area still call themselves Rûm which literally means "Eastern Roman" or “Asian Greek” in Turkish, Persian and Arabic.

The term Rûm is used in preference to “Ionani" or Yavani which means “European Greek” or "Ionian" in Classical Arabic and Hebrew. --B.Andersohn (talk) 11:05, 29 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Merge with Greek Orthodox Church of Antioch

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested merge. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the merge proposal was: no consensus to merge.GreyShark (dibra) 17:18, 17 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This article should be merged with Greek Orthodox Church of Antioch. All of the Greek Orthodox Christians from the Arabic speaking countries identify as "Roum" or Greek Orthodox, not Arab Orthodox.

Thanks, 76.171.161.100 (talk) 04:50, 22 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That's not true. Since the 19th century there has been a growing distinction between Greek Orthodox, Russian Orthodox, and Arab Orthodox. [1] There is an ongoing struggle between between the high ranking clergy of the Greek Orthodox church in Jerusalem and the local Arab Orthodox laity. [2] Separate articles are warranted. Tiamut^talk 18:10, 22 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

What I'm saying, is in fact the truth. I'm an American person of Greek Orthodox Levantine heritage. All the Levantine Greek Orthodox people, my family, including myself call ourselves "Rum" Orthodox. "Rum" in Arabic means "Greek." There is no such thing as Arab Orthodox. Also our church is officially called the Greek Orthodox Church of Antioch, NOT the "Arab Orthodox Church of Antioch." Just ask any Greek Orthodox Christian from Syria or Lebanon what they are, and they will reply "Rum" or Greek Orthodox. 76.171.161.100 (talk) 20:14, 22 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There's no such thing as a separate Arab Orthodox church, but there are certainly Eastern Orthodox believers (most of whom belong to churches with "Greek" or "Roum" in their names) who speak Arabic and identify as Arabs (or as specific Arab nationalities -- Syrian, Palestinian, Lebanese, etc.). Maybe the name of the article should be changed but it's certainly legit to say that this is an interesting area the people might want to know about. It shouldn't be merged with the Church of Antioch article because there's also the Jerusalem Patrairchate in the mix. --Jfruh (talk) 19:23, 25 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The "Arab Orthodox" terminology/polemics is specific to Israel and Jordan = the areas under the nominal jurisdiction of the Patriarchate of Jerusalem, where autochthonous “Levantine Greco-Rûm” Christian priests and community leaders (natives of Jerusalem, Haifa, Lydda, Nazareth, Ramallah, Bethlehem, Northern Israel, and Northern Jordan) have been fighting a sort of “cold culture war” against the “European Greek” high-clergy. This cultural-political phenomenon is specific to the Southern Middle East (Israel, the West Bank and Jordan) and thus doesn’t concern the “sister Church” in the North = the Greek Orthodox Church of Antioch (Syria, Lebanon and Southern Turkey).

Members of all Greek Orthodox and Greek Catholic churches of Southern Turkey and the MENA area still call themselves Rûm which literally means "Eastern Roman" or “Asian Greek” in Turkish, Persian and Arabic.

The term Rûm is used in preference to “Ionani" or Yavani which means “European Greek” or "Ionian" in Classical Arabic and Hebrew. --B.Andersohn (talk) 11:05, 29 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested merge. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.