Talk:Aristotle/Archives/2012

Aristotle`s origins?

When you write aricles,you should make sure you writte them properly.Aristotle is no Greek,he`s Macedoinan,he was the teacher of Alexander the Great Macedonian.There are a lot of evidence and you must give true information about everything. Check what i just said. Thank You! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.162.217.65 (talk) 10:35, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Actually your Macedonians appeared in history some 2400 years after Aristotle, so there must be something wrong in your claim... A Macedonian (talk) 10:48, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

I think a better response would be that Stageira was certainly Greek rather than an ancient Macedonian city. (Though the Macedonians spoke Greek, they were not accepted as Greek by the Greek cities until they had conquered most of Greece). Stageira was founded by Ionians, it was part of Athens' sphere of influence, and I believe they sent athletes to the Olympic games (which the Macedonians could not until they conquered Greece). When the Macedonians came, they destroyed the city and enslaved the population—they certainly treated it like a Greek rather than Macedonian city. RJC ^Talk_Contribs 14:13, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

The point is that the ancient Macedonians, Greek or not (actually -for the majority of modern scholars- Greek one way or another), have nothing to do with modern ethnic Macedonians, which is what ip really claims here. See contemporary ideas of Macedonian Nationalism for more. A Macedonian (talk) 14:57, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

No I think this argument is not a relevant point at all concerning this article. Aristotle was from Stageira and lived his life in many parts of Greece. The ethnicity of the people in the core of the Kingdom of Macedonia is not a subject for this talk page as far as I can see.--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 17:30, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Alexander I took part in the Olympic Games before the forced union of the Greek states. As a PhD you should know that. You cannot be descendant of Alexander the Great and of Czar Samuel at the same time nor speak a bulgarian dialect (with some serbian additions) and call yourself direct descendant of Philip of Macedon... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.58.134.209 (talk) 13:25, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Alexander the Great and Aristotle

The information in this section is incorrect. Accordint to Christopher Shields ""In 343, upon the request of Philip, the king of Macedon, Aristotle left Lesbos for Pella, the Macedonian capital, in order to tutor the king's thirteen-year-old son, Alexander—the boy who was eventually to become Alexander the Great. Although speculation concerning Aristotle's influence upon the developing Alexander has proven irresistible to historians, in fact little concrete is known about their interaction. On the balance, it seems reasonable to conclude that some tuition took place, but that it lasted only two or three years, when Alexander was aged from thirteen to fifteen. By fifteen, Alexander was apparently already serving as a deputy military commander for his father, a circumstance undermining, if inconclusively, the judgment of those historians who conjecture a longer period of tuition. Be that as it may, some suppose that their association lasted as long as eight years." (http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/aristotle/#AriLif). Also, according to Peter Green the letters are fake - http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/ancient/alexfake.asp. Avner (talk) 12:37, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

I think I somewhere read that when Alexander found out Aristotle was publishing his works, he lamented saying that now there was no way he would distinguish himself from ordinary men in intellectual things (since everyone would know what he knew presumably). I think maybe that implies at least a short time of being tutored, but I don't know the source where I read this. Are there letters between the two that perhaps imply Aristotle having been his tutor albeit briefly?

Cornelius (talk) 15:02, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Views on women

Sorry, but Reference 58 says the information is at page 372, but here (Product Details) it say that are only 332 pages. Mistake? --Apollineo! (talk) 16:09, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

You're right. The index of that book s.v. "Aristotle" (p. 325) doesn't even suggest any page numbers easily confused with 372. And a search of the book for "misogynist" etc. produces one page which doesn't work very well here. So I've switched the footnote to {{cn}} & will leave it for someone else to support the statement with a better source. Wareh (talk) 19:40, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. I believe is not a problem to use this. It says more or less the same thing: it supports the same thesis. --Apollineo! (talk) 21:00, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

 Done Wareh (talk) 22:59, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

either the date of his birth or death is wrong

in the article it says that Aristotle was born in 384BC and died in 322BC i believe that this should be changed to 422BC

thank you

184.175.19.223 (talk) 22:54, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

N Not done and not likely to be done See Anno Domini. BC years run from big to small; he was born in 384, and about 62 years later, died in 322. Dru of Id (talk) 23:43, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Thank you!!!

Thank you all for this article it is great! -Rastaman666 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.237.176.214 (talk) 02:54, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

A misleading sentence

An IP user has pointed out that the phrase she bore him a daughter in this article should be checked. Vanischenum^Talk 07:11, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

On the Soul

I believe there is a slight error in the section regarding Aristotle's theory of the human soul. If my reading of his Nichomachean Ethics and De Anime is correct, the human soul is a singularity with three parts which constitute the whole soul. Aristotle's description of the Vegetative, Appetitive, and Rational parts of the soul are a means of apprehending the higher level of being in the human as opposed to sentient animals and plants. So far as I can recall the tripartate soul is one "thing" that is intellectually seperable into three different levels of function, or rather of being. Otherwise the section seems to be on the mark. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.50.206.37 (talk) 01:15, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Counting to six

This article is great! I learnt more about Aristoteles from reading this article than I learnt during my philosophy studies at university.

But in honor of this great thinker, we should respect that he was probably able to count. The article says that "Aristotle taught that tragedy is composed of six elements: plot-structure, character, style, spectacle, and lyric poetry". I see only five elements in this list... Should the hyphen be changed into a comma? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joreberg (talk • contribs) 19:06, 29 August 2012 (UTC)  Done I changed it based on Poetics (Aristotle) to restore the missing item, dianoia. Wareh (talk) 19:40, 29 August 2012 (UTC)