Talk:Armenian Patriarch of Constantinople

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This article was nominated for merging with Armenian Patriarchate of Constantinople on 12 April 2014. The result of the discussion was no consensus/no merge.

Citation request at inclusion of picture[edit]

The article contained two request for citations that are placed at the inclusion of a picture.

This does not really work well. Let's say that the picture is included in 20 articles. Should that mean that the citation should be in all the 20 articles?

Better is that the correct reference is stated at the picture. There already the legal issue is stated. Then it is a small step to add the reference.

The (picture) page of the first picture did not contain a name so I removed the name. With the other picture I removed the citation request and added it at the talk page of the picture Scafloc (talk) 21:58, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Merge (Duplicate article)[edit]

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No consensus. The result of this discussion was no merge Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 15:50, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This should be merged into the article on Armenian Patriarchate of Constantinople. As there is also a List of Armenian Patriarchs as well as an article on the current Patriarch there is no justification nor need for this one. --Why should I have a User Name? (talk) 07:03, 12 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Someone with an in-depth knowledge of the Armenian Church is needed here. However, my initial thought is that the Patriarch and the Patriarchate are two different entities. The Patriarchate can continue to exist even if there is no Patriarch. So, even though there is duplicated content, there may be a good reason to have two separate articles and the addition of future content might be better served by retaining two articles. This is not a vote against merging, I could be for it, but I just wanted to indicate that the case for merging is is probably not as cut-and-dried as the above "there is no justification nor need" assertion would suggest, and that there needs to be more discussion. Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 17:25, 12 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

We have articles on the Roman Empire and the Roman emperor; surely a distinction exists between the person holding a position, and the role itself. Why is this any different? --Jayron32 02:15, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Because the Patriarchate is not the Roman Empire. It is not even Vatican city. (I mean in size. :-) Regards. --Why should I have a User Name? (talk) 17:41, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The point Jayron was trying to make is that "Patriarchate" refers to the diocese or see of the religious official, while "patriarch" refers to the official himself. Is there enough material to justify two separate articles? If not, then a merge would make sense: the convenience of having all the information in one article overrules the correctness of categorizing that information. -- llywrch (talk) 18:31, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

And the point I am trying to make is that there are four (those I have been able to detect so far) articles on an institution that -at the most- serves 70 thousand people. Cheers. --Why should I have a User Name? (talk) 19:32, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

(non-admin closure)

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