Talk:Arthur Cherep-Spiridovich

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Tcherep-Spiridovitch[edit]

Re-affirmed today:--Ludvikus 18:50, 24 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Spelling of name variation: Tcherep-Spiridovitch.

Yours truly, --151.202.104.190 21:05, 27 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A re-direct needs to be made for the name-spelling variation. --151.202.104.190 21:09, 27 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Will also check the name above soon. --Ludvikus 11:01, 4 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Personal Name: Cherep-Spiridovich, Arthur, Count, 1858-1926.[edit]

LC Control No.: 26020907
Type of Material: Book (Print, Microform, Electronic, etc.)
Personal Name: Cherep-Spiridovich, Arthur, Count, 1858-1926.
Main Title: The secret world government : or, "The hidden hand" : the unrevealed in history : 100 historical "mysteries" explained / Cherep-Spiridovich.
Portion of Title: Hidden hand
Published/Created: New York City : The Anti-Bolshevist Publishing Association, 1926.
Description: 195 p. : ill. ; 24 cm.
Notes: At head of title: Maj.-Gen., Count Cherep-Spiridovich.
Includes bibliographical references.
Subjects: Jewish question.
LC Classification: DS141 .C45
Other System No.: (OCoLC)538569

The Library of Congress gives us in the above record our protagonist's name. Need I say more? --Ludvikus 10:50, 4 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Alexander Spiridovich[edit]

Google gives only six hits under the above name [1].

I do not yet know if that's the same person as the subject of our article. It calls for some research. --Ludvikus 10:58, 4 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

For "Arthur Cherep-Spiridovitch" google gives only 8 hits. And if you make search in russian "Alexander Spiridovich" gives 400 hits, and "Arthur Cherep-Spiridovich" 1 hit.DonaldDuck 12:10, 4 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Conspiracy theorist[edit]

An editor left the following anotation/commentary which has been deleted for Style impropriety: 

    * The Secret World Government or The Hidden Hand: The Unrevealed in History
    — disinformation conspiracy theory book, of the secret "world government".
    As in many other conspiracy theory books authors biography and even name are dis[t]rorted
    as "count Arthur Cherep-Spiridovitch".
    It is not clear, whether book was written by Alexander Spiridovitch, or his name was used.

The article needs heavy cleanup. --Ludvikus 11:17, 4 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The book is #very# anti-Semitic (going by the few random passages I looked at) - could a comment be put to that effect? Jackiespeel (talk) 15:25, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Gas pipe stuck in throat is _suicide_? Wow. It seems everything can be claimed about "bad guys" and no one is enraged by such stupid claims. Why on earth would someone cause himself such difficult and painful death, in no other nation than USA itself, the land of plentiful guns (painless way to commit suicide)? Fucks sake people, have some common sense. He was murdered.

Two different persons?[edit]

  • Alexander Ivanovich Spiridovich (Александр Иванович Спиридович), 1873-1952 - russian police general, historian of revolutionary movement. biography
  • Count Arthur Cherep-Spiridovich (Артур (Артемий) Череп-Спиридович), 1868-1926, - much more obscure. Known only by conspiracy theory book and some book on balkans politics. "Cherep" is Skull in Russian and it is very strange surname for Russian. Moreover, there is no such name in the Russian counts list, probably his count title is fake.

Maybe I have mixed two different persons. Or there was only one person, and the second is pen name for first? It seems, second, conspiracy theorist hardly meets Notability criterium. DonaldDuck 12:02, 4 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • I concur they are two different people. Cherep-Spiridovich was a wealthy businessman [2], Army General. He was killed in 1926. Alexander Spiridovich [3] was a career police officer from a family of limited means. He lived until 1952. The first names are different Artemy vs Alexander, the birth dates are different. One is a prince and the other is not. I am reasonably confident they are two different people, although probably they were distant relatives Alex Bakharev 17:33, 4 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Is the title of Cherep-Spiridovich real?[4] "According to the same New York Times article of October 23, 1926, "St. Petersburg said that while the Count was of a good family he had been made a noble by the Vatican, not by Russia" and that "his title of Count had never been recognized in Russia."DonaldDuck 03:47, 6 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • He was not a Russian count. The title was conferred on him by the Vatican. So what? --Ludvikus 09:15, 6 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
        • Arthur Cherep-Spiridovich (Čerap-ŚPIRYDOVIČ), from what I am able to understand, was born in Belarus (Russian Empire). The last name derives from a Polish first part name "Cherep" (Proper writing is "Serap"). The 2nd part of the last name is Belorussian "Spiridovich". [[5]].

He comes from the Rurich's Family Clan. [[6]] He was a Russian Diplomat by the age of 30. In an interview, he mentioned that he has Greek Roots as well. But because of his Polish and belorussian background, he considered himself a Catholic and an Orthodox. In another article, Ive managed to find, that he had 2 funerals, first by a Catholic service and then by an Orthodox service. In the same article, it states that he would be buried in Belarus. No further details are available. --Shokorus 18:15, 11 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hitler[edit]

This is apparently incorrect. This man died in 1926. Somebody else in the USA used his name as a psuedoname in the 1930s, associated in 1933 with the Coalition of American Patriotic Societies. Not the same person. - Yorkshirian (talk) 23:52, 6 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A passing mention?[edit]

In the personal column of The Times, 13 May 1920 p 2 - a list of unclaimed property at the Ritz Hotel ('collect it or it will be sold') - inter alia Count Spiridowitch 1 piece. Jackiespeel (talk) 16:42, 16 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There are several mentions in The Times of Colonel de Tcherep-Spiridovitch in the first years of the 20th century; and also a Marguerite Spiridovitch, a noted singer in the 1920s. Will go through and note here. Jackiespeel (talk) 18:35, 1 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Various information can be found in The Times, the Foreign Office card index at The National Archives (most of the corresponding files having been destroyed) and The New York Times

1. Cherep Spiridovich/Colonel Arthur de Tcherep-Spiridovitch, president of the Slav Benevolent Association/Slavonic Charitable Society, Servian Consul General at Moscow and General Secretary of the Latin-Slav League, who visited London in 1919 to attend a meeting of the British-Russia club, (having previously sought official permission to do so), and was interested in promothing Anglo-Latin-Slav cooperation. It appears from the NYT that he died of gas poisoning - either accidentally or suicide 'due to extreme poverty' (the Orthodox Church adopting the former interpretation so he could be properly buried).

2. Alexander Spriodovitch, Colonel in 1904, in which year Edward VII of the UK, visiting Russia appointed him an honourary commander (among others). He was Chief of the Police attached to the Russian Imperial Court and then, as Lt-Colonel, and also chief of the gemdarmerie at Tsarkoe Selo, being a member of the Okhrana. The investigation into the assassination of Pyotr Stolypin listed him as one of the prsons who were to be investigated further. (The New York Times 22 October 1911 and The Times, 4 March 1912 p 5) There is also an article in The Times of 10 July 1971, p 5 'Was Stalin a spy?', involving a letter which was possibly forged indicating this - and Spirdovitch knew, and identified the signature of, the person allegedly 'running' Stalin. He may also be the person cited on a 1907 FO index card who used indiscreet language at the unveiling of a monument to the Tsar Liberator.

More could probably be teased out on the two gentlemen by those more expert in the field and period. Does the police chief deserve his own article? Jackiespeel (talk) 12:54, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Attack article This is an attack article, a "a mysterious figure", "who claimed to be". You should be ashamed of yourselves. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.16.8.159 (talk) 19:47, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

What are you referring to? The phrases you quote do not appear in the article but even if they did I do not see how they are relevant to the charge of "attack article". Jaydubya93 (talk) 01:16, 12 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Majority of this Article is Anti-Semitic Direct Quotation[edit]

More than half of this article is composed of four unabridged chunks of text from the subject's anti-semitic diatribe. The quotes have their own subject line, are unintroduced or put into any sort of context - they are seemingly apropos of nothing. A biography of a bigot is not an opportunity to republish that bigots ravings unabridged. I have removed the "Key Examples Of Hidden Hand - 1925" until it can be replaced with a section meeting basic Wiki guidelines - clear, concise content from third party sources instead of Original Research. Jaydubya93 (talk) 01:24, 12 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Claim that Cherep-Spiridovich was assassinated[edit]

On several occasions recently, editors have added the claim that Cherep-Spiridovich assassinated, and/or that "when his body was found, the gas line had been turned off", etc. I have not seen any printed source for the claim about the gas line, let alone anything in a reliable source. An editor has added a citation to a website entitled "Sovereign Order of Saint John of Jerusalem / Knights of St. John" ([7]), which asserts that Cherep-Spiridovich was assassinated, but does not provide any information to back up this claim; moreover, the website itself does not look like a reliable source. I would be happy to remove this material from the article, but am leaving it in place in case any editor would like to shed some light on this theory or its origins. Bruce leverett (talk) 02:03, 6 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The Count[edit]

A cited reference would be desirable for the claim that his title of "Count" was legitimate and was conferred by Vatican officials. Bruce leverett (talk) 15:00, 18 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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