Talk:As I Lay Dying (band)

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Former good articleAs I Lay Dying (band) was one of the Music good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
Article milestones
DateProcessResult
December 23, 2007WikiProject peer reviewReviewed
December 26, 2007Good article nomineeListed
May 11, 2019Good article reassessmentDelisted
Current status: Delisted good article

Update 13-yr-old Image[edit]

I think it's time we update the picture. the band is back together and they look very different now. Here's a few suggestions

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.195.159.155 (talk) 22:18, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

All of those are copyrighted and so cannot be used (see Wikipedia:Image use policy) but an updated image could be useful. Walter Görlitz (talk) 23:01, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
How do you know if an image is copyrighted or not? 74.195.158.121 (talk) 14:22, 3 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Genre[edit]

There are several sourced genres. Metalcore is the only one with several citations. Why is thrash metal included in the genre field? Thrash metal has one source only (or 2 if you count melodic thrash) but death metal has a source and so does melodic death metal but that doesn't mean we include death metal in the genre field. As I Lay Dying is generally described as metalcore. So it's best to just leave it at metalcore. That has always been the consensus for As I Lay Dying's genre. Statik N (talk) 00:25, 11 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently, there's three sources for thrash if you also included "melodic thrash", and there was never a consensus reached on the topic of genres". @Issan Sumisu: Am I misquoting you? There are two for thrash metal and one for melodic thrash. Walter Görlitz (talk) 00:53, 11 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I only see one each for those two for a collective total of two supporting thrash metal, as it stands right now. I think those that have multiple sources have more validity for infobox listing than others. dannymusiceditor oops 01:44, 11 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Also, if we agree on that, I have another idea, but let's settle this first. dannymusiceditor oops 01:46, 11 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The five for metalcore aren't that great though. https://exclaim.ca/music/article/as_i_lay_dying-this_is_who_we_are is from 2009 and the use is "metalcore giants". http://www.mtv.com/news/1560941/as-i-lay-dying-get-sick-of-metalcore-plus-candlemass-more-news-that-rules-in-metal-file/ "As I Lay Dying Get Sick Of Metalcore" and then discusses thrash further down. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2014/06/19/convicted-singer-of-christian-metal-band-as-i-lay-dying-comes-out-as-an-atheist/ Washington Post isn't talking about the genre but the conviction of Lambesis. About is 404. https://www.allmusic.com/album/awakened-mw0002411766 dances around the term at the end of the review but has "melodic thrash" up-front. The other one for thrash isn't high-quality.
To be clear, I'm not arguing for or against specific genres in the infobox. Walter Görlitz (talk) 02:30, 11 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
To start, we could use "prolific metalcore pioneers" in this context. dannymusiceditor oops 02:41, 11 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Aren't we only supposed to use prose from AllMusic, that would mean that isn't reliable since its not in the main biography? Issan Sumisu (talk) 06:42, 11 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
We are to avoid machine-generated content such as the genre cloud, but that's a one-line summary that appears to have been written by a human. The biography itself does not use the term though. Walter Görlitz (talk) 16:20, 11 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
One source I removed said "thrash-fueled metal" which doesn't necessarily mean thrash metal. It could mean metal with some thrash metal influences. I don't know if they're calling it thrash metal because most people wouldn't call As I Lay Dying thrash metal. I could find better sources for metalcore though. Statik N (talk) 01:15, 12 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Nick Hipa vs Phil Sgrosso Guitar Roles[edit]

Hey fellow Wiki Users, I was just proposing to changing the members and timeline sections showing Nick Hipa under "Lead Guitar" and Phil Sgorosso under "Rhythm" as that is what they primarily play roughly 3/4 of the time. I personally feel that it would be more accurate by nature, thanks.Miked1992 (talk) 17:59, 5 April 2020 (UTC)Miked1992Miked1992 (talk) 17:59, 5 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There is no guideline on Wikipedia that says "roughly 3/4 of the time" is where we draw the line between a simple listing of "guitar" and specifying lead or rhythm guitar. Rather, we follow the same style as set by WP:Reliable sources. Let's see what the reliable sources are doing:
  • Uber Pro Audio "Nick Hipa is a guitarist"... no mention of lead guitar.
  • Uber Pro Audio Phil Sgrosso is introduced as a guitarist, not rhythm guitarist.
  • Guitar World Nick and Phil are the "six-string duo"... no mention of lead or rhythm roles.
  • Seymour Duncan "lead guitarist Nick Hipa"
  • Music Radar Nick Hipa is called a "metal guitar" player, not lead.
  • Music Radar "lead guitarist, Nick Hipa". The piece calls Phil Sgrosso the "co-guitarist" of As I Lay Dying, with Nick Hipa describing Phil as sharing duties on "intricate guitar riffing" and guitar solos.
  • Music Connection J. B. Brubaker calls Nick Hipa a "metal guitar player", not lead.
  • Christian Post "guitarist Nick Hipa", not lead.
  • Blabbermouth "guitarist Nick Hipa", not lead.
  • Metal Injection "guitarist Nick Hipa", not lead.
  • Ultimate Guitar "guitarist Nick Hipa", not lead.
  • Domain Cleveland "guitarist Nick Hipa", not lead.
  • Pure Grain Audio "guitarist Nick Hipa", not lead.
  • Pure Grain Audio "guitarist Phil Sgrosso", not rhythm.
  • Metal Hammer "guitarist Nick Hipa", not lead.
  • Billboard "guitarists Nick Hipa and Phil Sgrosso", no mention of lead or rhythm roles.
  • Metalblade talks about Nick and Phil playing guitars, but nothing about lead or rhythm roles.
  • Metal Sucks "guitarist Phil Sgrosso", not rhythm.
  • Media Mikes Phil Sgrosso is described as a guitarist, not rhythm.
  • Loudwire "guitarist Phil Sgrosso", not rhythm.
  • Ultimate Guitar "guitarist Phil Sgrosso", not rhythm.
  • Anti Music "guitarist Phil Sgrosso", not rhythm.
So with all these sources line up, it's easy to see that only a small portion of them describe Nick Hipa in terms of lead guitar, and none at all say that Phil Sgrosso plays rhythm guitar. The Music Radar source severely undercuts its "lead guitar" definition by talking about both guitarists sharing riffs and solos. I think we must stay away from defining the guitarists as being either lead or rhythm, unless it's a direct quote attributed to a source. Binksternet (talk) 18:56, 5 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I'm with the sources that Binksternet found on this. Walter Görlitz (talk) 00:59, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thirded. Sergecross73 msg me 20:51, 23 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Corrected name typo[edit]

Former guitarist Jasun Krebs’ name was spelled as “Jason Krebs.”

I’m happy to provide links to his social media and his gofundme page for his cancer treatments as a reference. 2600:8801:9A00:940:B498:5920:94B9:6768 (talk) 23:33, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding "Lambesis' release, reunion and new music (2016–2018)" Section...[edit]

This might just be me, but I figured I'd put my thoughts here instead of leaving a banner on the article.

Prefacing to state that I'm not a fan of this band (I don't dislike them; I just haven't listened to any of their music), and I feel that's important contextual info for me to offer, given my perspective here.

I don't know a lot about this band and only heard about them for the first time today, and when I went to read their article to gain more context on what I heard about them (particularly in that section, and the section on their hiatus/Lambesis's crimes, immediately preceding it), I felt overwhelmed with the amount of information in the 2016-2018 section on Lambesis's release. To be clear, the part on the hiatus/Lambesis's crimes doesn't read like it is overwhelmingly long, but the section after it definitely does.

From the perspective of someone who isn't a fan, it feels like a lot of the info included there would only be relevant to a niche audience (that audience being people who really love the band and care about the intricate details of their reunion). I definitely feel like that section could be shortened to only include the bare necessities, so it doesn't feel so overwhelming to read. I personally don't think I'd be well-equipped to do that, given my lack of knowledge on the subject, but maybe someone who knows a lot about them can condense it to the most essential information to include on Wikipedia? Afddiary (talk) 11:54, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I see what you mean, and I know enough about at least this era of the band that I'd be up to the task when I have time. dannymusiceditor oops 13:40, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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