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Semi-protected edit request on 13 July 2021

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Add back the infobox that was previously in most iterations of this article. The last instance of it being present was by Mechanical Keyboarder at 23:43, 9 June 2021. Kolknoy (talk) 23:32, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not done, that infobox was mostly a list of arbitrarily selected populations and does not reflect the article contents. CMD (talk) 02:04, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 22 September 2022

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Israwli Americans can be European, Asian, o African etc… There is no ethnic Israeli we are from everywhere so some are white and some aren’t. Some will always be considered white by census 146.168.100.229 (talk) 22:41, 22 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Aidan9382 (talk) 09:53, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 13 December 2022

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not Moved: No clear consensus to move to new title Mike Cline (talk) 19:07, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]


Asian peopleAsians – The Ngram viewer for google linked here shows a significant higher usage of "Asians" compared to "Asian people". Thus, I find this move reasonable. Any objections? Cheers, Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 03:27, 13 December 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 18:34, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Which sources are you going to cite on 'Asian' being a 'racial classification'? AndyTheGrump (talk) 05:37, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
This isn't really about racial classification, this is about a colloquial term used by certain people (primarily Anglosphere whites) as a descriptor of a race (or rather, a phenotype). Whom it pertains to varies by locality. I am not sure it is enough for an encyclopedic article. It seems more suitable as an entry for a dictionary of slang and colloquialisms. Walrasiad (talk) 16:18, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yup. The article seems to be trying (rather unsuccessfully) to document that way 'Asian' has been used as a descriptor for people, in many varied contexts. It isn't about people, it is about a word, and its differing usages. It appears to cite no sources discussing this in any depth. Arguably it is WP:OR. AndyTheGrump (talk) 16:46, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'd point to pretty much every example in the article for sources on how it's used as a racial classification. I would also agree that the article is essentially a collection of examples on the usage of the word "Asian". If sources can be found that specifically cover the variance in usage of the term "Asian", then this could likely be rewritten using them (and hopefully moved to clarify that this page is about usage of the term). Otherwise, perhaps redirecting this to Ethnic groups in Asia would be appropriate? Tol (talk | contribs) @ 22:17, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
This is a useful discussion. It made me look up 'Africans', 'Europeans', 'African people', 'European people' and some other similar titles. 'African people' redirects to 'Demographics of Africa'; 'European people' is a disambiguation page; 'Africans' redirects to 'African', which is a disambiguation page that suggests 'Ethnic groups of Africa', 'Demographics of Africa' and 'African diaspora' for articles on people; 'Europeans' redirects to 'Ethnic groups in Europe'; 'North Americans' redirects to 'North America'; 'North American people' redirects to 'Indigenous peoples of the Americas'. Based on this, I struggle to see why we have an article on Asians/Asian people that isn't even about people. EddieHugh (talk) 19:42, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@AndyTheGrump, maybe AfD as WP:WHATWIKIPEDIAISNOT? Valereee (talk) 20:10, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Given the way AfD's generally go, I very much doubt that would be productive. It would be overrun with people arguing that 'Asians' are obviously notable. Which they are, in the sense that you can no doubt find mountains of sources referring to people as such. It is extremely difficult to persuade people that articles are supposed to be about clearly-defined subjects, rather than words or phrases used in all sorts of contexts to mean all sorts of different things. I know, because I've tried and failed in the past. AndyTheGrump (talk) 21:48, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Well, hopefully the closer will at minimum take a look at what Masem said above: this move doesn't take into account what the article is actually about, and apparently neither the proposer nor the support voters seem to have read the actual article to realize that. Valereee (talk) 22:03, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@EddieHugh Maybe the point of comparison isn't "Europeans" or "Africans", but rather "White people" and "Black people", which are doubtless racial/ethnic descriptors. In which case, I would reiterate my proposal to move this to "Asians (racial descriptor)" or "Asians (racial term)" or "Asians (ethnic descriptor)", and adjust the lede accordingly. Walrasiad (talk) 22:25, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
PS - the same user who proposed the move "Asian people" to "Asians" seems to have simultaneously proposed to move "White people" to "Whites" and Black people" to "Blacks". Clearly there is race on the mind in these three moves. Walrasiad (talk) 22:31, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Which sources are you proposing to cite discussing 'Asians' as a 'racial term' etc? AndyTheGrump (talk) 22:40, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oh I don't have any. And don't care enough to look for them. I'd personally AfD this page, since I don't think it is an encyclopedic topic. But given there is little chance of that, I am just proposing alternative titles that are less misleading than the current one as to its content. It evidently seems to have already fooled many !voters here (including myself!). Walrasiad (talk) 22:51, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose "Asians" - Too informal, to the point of being offensive to some, and I agree that it puts the title out of sync with other races (white people, black people, for example), which as far as inconsistencies go, is a rather dangerous precedent to set, as it appears to single out a single group. (Just want to note that even if the article isn't about ethnic groups, but the descriptor itself, I still doubt the majority of our readers will immediately understand that). ASUKITE 19:26, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. The topic of this article is not an ethnicity or single homogeneous group, and as noted above the term "Asians" has wildly differing and sometimes offensive connotations. As an aside, I'm not even sure this page is particularly useful, it's very short and, as noted, doens't really refer to an actual people. Could really just redirect to Asia#Demographics or similar.  — Amakuru (talk) 10:57, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Skin

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[1] "With age, Asian skin becomes darker and more yellow compared to Caucasian skin, which becomes darker and redder." Benjamin (talk) 04:03, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

What do you think they mean by Asian there? Note that this article is about "the people of Asia". HiLo48 (talk) 06:12, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]