Talk:Assassination of Ali/GA1

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Reviewer: FunkMonk (talk · contribs) 19:34, 1 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Hi, I will review this. FunkMonk (talk) 19:34, 1 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • The intro is way too short, it should summarise the entire article.

FunkMonk Please have a look. RRD13 দেবজ্যোতি (talk) 10:55, 5 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Looks better! I'll be back for the rest of the review late tomorrow. FunkMonk (talk) 11:24, 5 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "After the death of Muhammad" Perhaps add "Muslim prophet" before Muhammad, to present him.
  • "between Sunni and Shia" add "Muslims".
  • "arose over a disagreement over" Double over seems repetitive, alternatives?
  • "considered the prophet in the Islamic tradition, as the head of the Muslim community." Seems a bit odd at the end of the sentence?
  • "over who would succeed him" Add as caliph?
  • "Sunnis believed that anyone could succeed Muhammad" Add if elected/chosen by Muslims?
  • "the partisans of Ali" Link Ali.
  • "Abu Bakr was elected as" Present him breifly?
  • "He was succeeded by Umar" Present?
I dont understand what you mean. RRD13 দেবজ্যোতি (talk) 06:00, 2 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Present the person. FunkMonk (talk) 07:27, 2 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "as the fourth Rashidun" Explain.
 Done RRD13 দেবজ্যোতি (talk) 06:00, 2 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The group argued that Quranic teachings ask people to bring rebels under obedience by violence.[5]" People or rulers?
People. RRD13 দেবজ্যোতি (talk) 06:00, 2 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Add Khawarij before "group" in the sentence above for clarity.
 Done RRD13 দেবজ্যোতি (talk) 06:00, 2 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "killed by Ibn Muljam at" present.
I dont know what you mean. RRD13 দেবজ্যোতি (talk) 06:00, 2 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Present the person. FunkMonk (talk)
 Done Mhhossein (talk) 06:41, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "at the Great Mosque of Kufa on 26 January 6" Add where this is.
 Done Mhhossein (talk) 06:48, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Mhhossein (talk) 05:12, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Aftermath could mention Second Fitna, and other subsequent conflicts between Muslims resulting form this assassination.
FunkMonk: How can I make connection between 'Aftermath' and the Second Fitna? Also, can you please explain what you mean regarding "other subsequent conflicts"? Mhhossein (talk) 05:43, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
On second thoughts, I don't think anything in my comment above is necessary. Though if anything comes to mind, could be mentioned if any subsequent animosity has resulted from the assassination. FunkMonk (talk) 07:45, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • It should also mention how important the death of Ali has become to Shias, and how it is commemorated (ashura), etc.
 Done as much as possible. Mhhossein (talk) 13:09, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Shiites mourn the anniversary of Hasayn's defeat." Mention muharram by name as well, now it is hidden as an "easter egg link".
 Done Mhhossein (talk) 13:09, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "on the 21 Ramadan 40 AH" Only mentioned in intro.
 Done Moreover, I emphasized that the exact date is disputed per reliable sources. Mhhossein (talk) 15:11, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Khawarij and Ibn Muljam are overlinked in the intro.
 Done I resolved the issue with Ibn Muljam while I think we have to keep both bluelinks going to Khawarij. The first one is Kharijite (referring to a person) and the second one is Khawarij (referring to a group). Mhhossein (talk) 17:46, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Seems they both link to the same article, though? That counts as overlinking. FunkMonk (talk) 17:50, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • You refer to Quttaam as a girl in the intro but as a woman in the article.
 Done Mhhossein (talk) 04:25, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Consequently he was stabbed by" He: Ali.
 Done Mhhossein (talk) 04:25, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • I won't make any of it now, but since this is a rather short article, I'm not sure why it was split off from the general article about Ali? Seems it would easily fit there.
I think the main article is long enough and we'd better not make it longer by adding it to that. Mhhossein (talk) 04:37, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding @FunkMonk:'s request on Wikipedia:Good article nominations, I will join you as the second reviewer. I think more should be done to reach GA criteria. Thus, I put on hold tag on the article.--Seyyed(t-c) 04:13, 22 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Royroydeb:

 Done Mhhossein (talk) 07:34, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Sa.vakilian: Could you please provide more explanations? I've restricted access to your proposed source. Mhhossein (talk) 10:42, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Sa.vakilian and FunkMonk: Fortunately, I got two articles by Brill regarding our subject and I found some info regarding the role of Ash'ath. I'll consider adding needed info. Mhhossein (talk) 06:12, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Mhhossein (talk) 06:07, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Mhhossein (talk) 07:34, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • There should be more information about the relation between Ali and Khawarij in the "Background" section.
 Done Mhhossein (talk) 07:34, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Aftermath": This section is incomplete as well. You can add more information from Madelung's book.--
 Done I added some more info from Madelung's book. Mhhossein (talk) 13:03, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you.--Seyyed(t-c) 06:41, 22 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I tried to add some parts of Madelung's book. Mhhossein (talk) 11:57, 25 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
According to Madelung three persons were involved in assassination of Ali, the point which is missed here in the article. Mhhossein (talk) 12:12, 25 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Another issue which should be resolved prior to promotion is the inconsistency of the templates used for citation. Mhhossein (talk) 11:41, 25 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for further comments. This GAN is really going way too slow, Royroydeb, anyone else would have failed it by now, but I'll wait and see if you get going. FunkMonk (talk) 17:13, 2 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
FunkMonk, Royroydeb hasn't edited on Wikipedia since April 18. You may want to go ahead and fail it. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:25, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I'll fail this in a couple of days. FunkMonk (talk) 18:07, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Mhhossein, since you seem knowledgeable about the topic, might you want to take over the nomination and fix the remaining issues? FunkMonk (talk) 14:12, 19 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@FunkMonk: I can do the job. That you don't hold your finger on the 'fail' button to push it any time possible, is admirable. Should I address the bullet points raised above? --Mhhossein (talk) 17:17, 19 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! Yeah, that's all you have to do. I don't like failing articles due to inactivity (usually everything can be fixed over time), and it shouldn't be too hard to fix this one... FunkMonk (talk) 17:20, 19 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Sa.vakilian: Where can I find reliable info on the motivation behind the assassination. I've already made some relations between the Nahrawan battle and the assassination. --Mhhossein (talk) 13:33, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest to use Brill's article.--Seyyed(t-c) 06:03, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Looks good, but there are some grammar issues with the new paragraph about al-Ash'ath ibn Qays. I'll give it a look later and see what I can fix. FunkMonk (talk) 13:11, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I fixed a few errors.[3] You should not use contractions like "didn't", as it is too informal. FunkMonk (talk) 13:35, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "in the battle for the water" Anything that could be linked?
  • "al-Burak b. Abd Allah and Amr b. Bakr al-Tamimi" What do the b.s stand for?
FunkMonk: Thank you for fixing the error and for the point. Per this source, "the battle for the water" refers to the battle of seffin and b.s stand for ibn. Mhhossein (talk) 14:42, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Ok. Could these be linked and spelled out in the article? FunkMonk (talk) 14:43, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@FunkMonk:  Done, I also trimmed some other parts and added reliable info. Anything else? Mhhossein (talk) 12:26, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I think it looks quite good now. What does sa.vakilian say? FunkMonk (talk) 13:03, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Excuse me, God willing, I will check in this week.--Seyyed(t-c) 06:45, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The article has some problems which I try to fix. Then I tell my final view.--Seyyed(t-c) 03:28, 3 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. It looks too much better now.--Seyyed(t-c) 01:33, 5 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Seyyed: Thank you for editing the article and for enhancing its quality. FunkMonk Can we go forward? Mhhossein (talk) 05:36, 5 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Looks good, remaining issue now is that some of the info found in the intro is not mentioned in the article body, which it should. The intro is just supposed to be a summary of the article, with no unique info. I'll list the info below:
  • "Ali, being then 62 or 63 years of age"
  • "("those who leave")"
  • "(Qisas)
  • "Ibn Muljam met up with two other Kharijites namely al-Burak ibn Abd Allah and Amr ibn Bakr al-Tamimi at Mecca concluded that the situation of the Muslims at the time were due to the erroneousness of Ali, Muawiah and Amr ibn As, governor of Egypt, whom they decided to kill in order to resolve the "deplorable situation" of their time and also avenge their companions killed at Nahrawan." This sentence is extremely long and should be broken up.
  • There are quite a few duplicate links throughout the article.
@FunkMonk::  Done. Thanks for your useful points, I'm ready to make any other required changes. Mhhossein (talk) 14:16, 5 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I think it works much better now as a stand alone article, thanks for saving this one, guys! Will now pass. Just noticed that the article lacks wikiproject tags on the talkpage, though... FunkMonk (talk) 14:35, 5 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
FunkMonk: And thank you for being patient with this nomination. I should also thank Seyyed for helping me with this promotion. Mhhossein (talk) 04:34, 6 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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