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Re-posting this. Fut.Perf. ☼ 18:34, 1 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This article has been a cesspit of some of the most ridiculous ethnic tendentious editing for years and years, from all sides of this sorry mess of an ideological conflict. This needs to stop. I will therefore be applying a new set of administrative rules here, with a zero tolerance approach to tendentious editing:

Any editor making substantial content changes in the article that have the potential of being contentious, without discussing and explaining them on the talkpage beforehand, will be blocked.
Any editor reverting another editor without explaining the need for the revert on the talkpage beforehand (with the exception of cases of plain and obvious vandalism), will be blocked.
Any editor calling another's edits "vandalism" when they are not will be blocked.
Any editor who makes edits in the article that are obviously aimed at giving preferential treatment to one of the ideological parties or terminological preferences involved (pro-"Assyrian", pro-"Aramaean" etc.) or at bolstering up historical claims associated with such preferences, will be blocked.
Any editor misusing the talkpage for any form of argument about which of these ideological positions is "correct" or about his own opinions regarding their ethnic identity, will be blocked. The only thing everybody is expected to use the talkpage for is to discuss how this group and its history are described in high-quality, neutral reliable sources, and how the article should be changed so that it reflects those sources.

Please pay special attention to this last point, as pretty much everybody has been abusing the talkpages for those kind of arguments in the past.

Any such blocks will be imposed immediately, without further individual warnings, for periods no shorter than two weeks on a first offence, and regardless of whether an editor is experienced or new. You have been warned.

That said, the article clearly needs to change, as it is currently quite obviously written from a tendentious perspective. To get the ball rolling, I will myself make a start by entirely removing the "Assyrian continuity" section, which appears to be one of the most tendentious bits and whose sourcing is abysmal. This is a somewhat uncommon thing for an administrator to do, but given the special history of this article and the long-term well-documented inability of its habitual editors to maintain a constructive and encyclopedic editing debate on this topic, I believe it is justified and will not change my status as an uninvolved and neutral administrator. (Which means I also reserve the right to block editors should they reinsert it, as I would consider such an edit a clear violation of principle 4 above. Material about the idea of an "Assyrian continuity" may ultimately be reincluded, if and when the overall NPOV profile of the article has been fixed and a policy-based WP:CONSENSUS for the appropriateness of such material has been established; not earlier.) Fut.Perf. ☼ 09:30, 29 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Future Perfect at Sunrise: Can I get an explanation of why the section "Legends Mythology used as historical evidence to promote notions of Assyrian Continuity" was collapsed?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Assyrian_people#Legends.2FMythology_used_as_historical_evidence_to_promote_notions_of_Assyrian_Continuity

The explanation given does not make any sense...."another thread veering off into exchange of personal ideological talking points." it could not of possible been the case, since there was only my single post in the section. It could not have been an "exchange" nor "veering off", and the rest of the edit was in complete compliance with the Rules.

Sr 76 (talk) 13:27, 16 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Future Perfect at Sunrise: Please explain why you allowed this page to revert back to the Politically driven assyrian properganda page you it was earlier. The rules you have put in place, why are they no longer being enforced?Sr 76 (talk) 13:32, 7 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hello ? @Future Perfect at Sunrise: what happened to your rules? Your rules seemed to be irrelevant now?Sr 76 (talk) 13:45, 6 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The "Genetics" part is too superficial and doesn't go into detail. I suggest editing it and adding more data with clear sources from genetic tests so there is no misunderstanding. FalitoMardinoyo47 (talk) 21:17, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 23:05, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

These people are Arameans

These people are Arameans who got the ‘Assyrian’ identity from Britain in the 19th century 31.161.141.96 (talk) 19:54, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Inclusion of "Sumerian" under "Languages"

Why does the article list Sumerian as a language spoken by Assyrians?

The article delves into Assyrian identity, including its formation during the Old Assyrian period (Michel 2017). During this period and after it, Akkadian is spoken e.g. Erišum I's inscription, writings from Assyrian traders in Kaneš, et cetera. There are also pre-Old Assyrian texts written in Akkadian e.g., Zarriqum 2001 from the Third Dynasty of Ur. I'm not sure of any evidence of Sumerian being natively spoken in communities by Assyrian-identifying people (OA or later), nor am I sure as to why it would be included while languages like Arabic, spoken by many Assyrians natively, aren't included. Shamash Uballit (talk) 04:25, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Brainwashed Arameans

Modern ‘Assyrians’ are brainwashed Arameans that adopted a false identity which Britain created in the 19th century. Ancient Assyrians are extinct. Many scholars write about it. Read 1. Adam H. Becker: origins of Assyrian nationalism. 2. John Joseph: The modern ‘Assyrians’ of the Middle-East. 3. Bengt Knutsson: Assur eller Aram? 4. Stefan Andersson: Asurlular 5. John Joseph: Syria and Assyria synonyms? 6. Johny Messo: Arameans and the making of ‘Assyrians’. 7. Aaron Butts: ‘Assyrian’ Christians 89.200.13.102 (talk) 12:55, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]