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older entries[edit]

190.144.162.55 01:01, 12 July 2007 (UTC) I'd like you said the official name of the alternative version of the song, in which the song structure and Sean Paul's raps are left intact, while Beyoncé sings completely different lyrics, that was leaked to the Internet in 2003.[reply]

GAN[edit]

Hello guys. I've forwarded this article to GAN after improving. Thanks to those who created this and to those who helped this article before. Hope we'll make it. --BritandBeyonce (talk) 12:18, 23 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Key[edit]

The article states, that the single is in E flat. However, listening to the song, I feel more compelled to say, that the song is in C minor. Or maybe some similar C key, like C dorian or C frygian. Anyone share this thought with me? Mulder1982 (talk) 22:34, 27 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for sharing but we can not change how much we're familiar with it as we depend only on the sources, the sheet music particularly. --BritandBeyonce (talk) 01:12, 28 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I just changed it to C minor. The key signature can mean either Eb major or C minor. From listening to the song, it is obviously in C minor. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 153.106.4.94 (talk) 07:36, 13 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. But for non-music specialist like me, I referenced my edits to published articles or whatever. And besides, that either means that you're not one hundred percent sure and you only concludes because you felt its the correct key after listening to it. --Efe (talk) 07:59, 13 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A song's key signature is just the number of flats/sharps - it doesn't reveal the key of a song by itself. The first chord of the song has a C as its bass note and every subsequent musical phrase returns to C as its root. You can see this even in the current link to the sheet music. There's not any Eb chord in the source as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.127.245.193 (talk) 11:43, 26 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OK, thanks for sharing your expertise to WikiPedia. --Efe (talk) 11:52, 26 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

GA on hold[edit]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

"It was written by Beyoncé, Scott Storch, Sean Paul, Robert Waller, and Jay-Z for Beyoncé's debut solo albu m, Dangerously in Love (2003). The track was produced by Knowles" - what are you referring to her as? Beyonce or Knowles? (Throughout the article...)

Sorry. Just an overlooked thing. I prefer her first name, like Madonna.

"video features sexy footages." - we don't say "sexy" in an encyclopedia

Question: Is sensual ok for you?

Yep. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂0) 07:38, 13 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Done --Efe (talk) 07:46, 13 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

[1] needs fair use work

Fixed fair use.

"Beyoncé told him that she's been listening to a lot of his music" - use past tense

Question: To what verb particularly?

"She's" --> "She had"

Done --Efe (talk) 07:46, 13 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Sean revealed:" - refer to him using his surname

Question: I'll use Sean Paul? Is it ok? Tell me if not.

Just "Paul" (as in, just surnames generally) except the first time, when you use his full name. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂0) 07:38, 13 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

His last name is Henriques. --Efe (talk) 07:43, 13 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

- "Sean stated that: "She's telling me about her fantasies and picturing me and her going..." -again

Question:

See above. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂0) 07:38, 13 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Columbia Records and Sean's Atlantic Records[5]" - need punctuation under the ref

Done.

- ""Baby Boy" is a moderate groove[7] that runs" - again

Fixed.

"The judge, however, who ruled in the case, heard it "dissimilar"" - fix punctuation here

Question: What punctuation?

Suggest reword to: "However, the judge who ruled in the case heard it "dissimilar"". dihydrogen monoxide (H₂0) 07:38, 13 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Done --Efe (talk) 07:46, 13 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

is ShakingThrough.net a reliable reviewing source?

Ok. The source is not that notable. Anyway, that was just an opinion, not a fact.

Any negative reviews/commentary?

Can't find. I'll browse over again. Maybe I can find.

"most concert tours Beyoncé had" - had --> performed (or similar)

Done.

"that runs late in 2003 to early 2004. " - past tense

Fixed.

"In the 2005 ASCAP Pop Music Awards, "Baby Boy" garnered the title as the "Most Performed Songs" of the year, along with "Me, Myself and I" and "Naughty Girl"" - reword this, since there was more than one song

Reworded.

"It had more and immediate commercial success along with "Me, Myself and I" and "Naughty Girl" than "Crazy in Love", propelling the album on the charts, and been certified multi-platinum." - needs rewording

Reworded.

"ten gaps from "Crazy in Love"" - gaps --> spots/places

Used places.

Linking to the music video is a copyvio

Removed from the external link.

Note on my talk page when done, please. Cheers, dihydrogen monoxide (H₂0) 10:51, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Passing. Please consider helping out by reviewing another GA nomination :) dihydrogen monoxide (H₂0) 07:57, 13 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'll try. I have a fever now. Thanks for the review. =) --Efe (talk) 08:01, 13 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Sean Paul is NOT A Rapper![edit]

Why did the author say that Sean Paul is a rapper? He is a well-known dance hall and reggae artist.I'm changing it.--Princess Janay (talk) 23:26, 17 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for fixing. --Efe (talk) 01:03, 18 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Now For Featured Article Status!![edit]

Just joking. You guys did a great job trying to make this a Good Article. Glad you made it.--Princess Janay (talk) 15:32, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah. We can make it. Just busy for "Deja Vu" and "Irreplaceble" now. But we can make it simultaneously. Can you help me? --Efe (talk) 00:40, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I would be glad to help!--Princess Janay (talk) 16:30, 3 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oh my. I am busy for Usher songs (five of them), gearing up for GA. One is already a good article. I'll be back for this soon. --Efe (talk) 08:10, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm here. Cleaning up, copy editing, adding content and images, etc. I'll pass this for PR. --Efe (talk) 07:45, 31 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image[edit]

Is there an image for use on the R&B and Soul Music Portal which is not a fair use image? SriMesh | talk 22:30, 26 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, no. If there's any, I'll be happy to add them in the page. Currently, I'm looking for images. --Efe (talk) 00:44, 27 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There's one in the page; but its not that good. --Efe (talk) 00:44, 27 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Arabic Influence?[edit]

"Like Knowles' 2004 song, 'Naughty Girl', Storch's knowledge on Middle-Eastern music contributes to its Arabic influences"

I got rid of this. There is nothing Arabic (or other Middle Eastern) in "Baby Boy". It sounds Indian, which make sense considering the Indian influence in Jamaica and other Caribbean nations.

This reminds of me of the Freemasons remix of Kelly Rowland's "Work", which was being called "Arabic" when it's definitely not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.184.166.238 (talk) 03:03, 21 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have a reliable source? Would be appreciated. Thank you. --Efe (talk) 06:25, 21 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How about me, being South Asian? The article that references Baby Boy's supposed "Arabic" influences says that Scott Scorch is knowledgeable in both Middle Eastern AND Indian music. That's not a valid reference to conclude that it's Middle Eastern.

Western pop song with Middle Eastern influence: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rCDOVzWDts

Western pop song with Indian/South Asian influence: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amcR6M8eK3g —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.184.166.238 (talk) 00:25, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Storch is knowledgeable on Middles Eastern and, yes, Indian. But Arabic, too, is Middle Eastern. Youtube is not reliable. --Efe (talk) 06:26, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm aware that Arabic is Middle Eastern. My point is that music used in Baby Boy is NOT Middle Eastern and it's Indian. Youtube might not reliable, but neither is using that interview link to conclude that the music in Baby Boy is "Arabic" or other Middle Eastern since Storch says he's knowledgeable in both Middle Eastern and Indian music.

Why are those YouTube link not reliable anyway? The Western song with Middle Eastern influence is "Kiss Kiss" by Holly Valance. It's an English version of Tarkan's "Kiss Kiss," a Middle Eastern (Turkish) song. That's a fact. And the Freemason's Remix of Kelly Rowland's "Work" is clearly Indian; it samples Bhangra music. Bhangra is an Indian (Punjabi) genre. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.184.166.238 (talk) 01:51, 25 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Chart references[edit]

Hello, just stopping through and wanted to leave an alert regarding the proper placement of the chart references. Please see WP:CHARTS#Original chart format. Also "Note that references should be individual and specific to each chart that is being used. Sources per column or table are insufficient."
Hope this helps in your featured article quest.—Iknow23 (talk) 06:26, 17 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Iknow, but I already knew it. Tbhotch^Talk ^C. 16:25, 17 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

LOL. That's cool :)—Iknow23 (talk) 22:18, 17 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Work needed[edit]

I mistakenly nominated the article for a featured review since this page was not active. Some of the things that need to be fixed:

Links for the unsourced statements.
Broken and dubious links
~~Alternate text for the images.~~
New arrangement of the sections and paragraphs.

I still think that the prose of the article is not up to FA standards, when compared to FA "4 Minutes", for example. Xwomanizerx (talk) 22:12, 17 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Have you noticed that I've already added alt text, which is not a rule BTW. Tbhotch^Talk ^C. 22:14, 17 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That's ok, I'm just used to adding text whenever I nominate an article for GA. Xwomanizerx (talk) 22:26, 17 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've noted some addition citation concerns with tags on the article. --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars (talk) 23:22, 23 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

WP:POINT. Tbhotch* ^{۩ ۞} 23:43, 23 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

BS. Are you saying the information provided in the succession boxes is exempt from sourcing? --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars (talk) 00:29, 24 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, you have 3 options:

You can click through them and check them by yourself.
You can get a source, something that won't get you five minutes.
You can stop being disruptive about "those charts are is unsourced" (this is an advice, BTW). Tbhotch* ^{۩ ۞} 00:36, 24 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm. I just looked up List of number-one R&B singles of 2003 (U.S.) and guess what, no sources. Then there's List of number-one dance airplay hits of 2003 (U.S.). Oh wait, there's a source...nope, dead link. I can't even confirm that it reached number one on the dance airplay chart because I don't find it on Billboard, Allmusic, or anywhere else. Now what? --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars (talk) 00:43, 24 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

That seems to go against core policy, WP:V. Also, per WP:SBS: "Cite sources across all succession lists". --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars (talk) 00:53, 24 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Done Anything else Mr. Sarcastic? Do not ask it to me. Tbhotch* ^{۩ ۞} 03:37, 24 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

pop song it appeared on adult pop charts[edit]

http://www.billboard.com/news/no-stopping-beyonc-233-s-baby-boy-at-no-2008508.story#/news/no-stopping-beyonc-233-s-baby-boy-at-no-2008508.story Beggsie221 (talk) 21:30, 5 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The song not entered this chart why is Pop. It entered because it was executed on Pop radios, as Z100. Silencio faz bem (talk) 22:05, 5 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Name[edit]

Why is it "Baby Boy (Beyoncé Knowles song)" and not "Baby Boy (Beyoncé Knowles and Sean Paul song)"? Tomer T (talk) 14:42, 6 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Because Beyoncé is the main artist. Silencio faz bem (talk) 15:34, 6 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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