Talk:Balthasar Charles, Prince of Asturias

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Prior version?[edit]

I could have sworn there used to be an article on Prince Baltasar Carlos before, that was more detailed. It is entirely possible that someone deleted it due to the embarrassing circumstances of his death.

I equate deleting an article for such reasons to censorship and book-burning, if that was the case.

It appears it was always this short. 68.39.174.238 21:55, 30 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I remember a death from debauchery, and some more text indeed, it seems to have been undone in the last few months. User:Faler —Preceding comment was added at 15:57, 17 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Unclear paragraph.[edit]

Having trouble understanding this paragraph.

"After the ceremony, the royal family moved to Zaragoza. On October 5, the eve of second anniversary of the death of Queen Elisabeth, Philip IV and Balthasar Charles attended Vespers that night in her memory. That evening, the prince was ill and the next day, Saturday October 6, he had to stay in bed while the king went to the funeral. The disease, smallpox, spread rapidly, and on Tuesday, October 9, at eight in the morning, the Archbishop of Saragossa gave him the Last Sacraments. It is said that the Host was exhibited until three o'clock, when it became a general procession to the Convent of Jesus, which then proceeded to Our Lady of Cogullada and brought in procession to the altar of La Seo where it was surrounded by candles and prayers. At nine pm that same day, October 9, Prince Balthasar Charles died. His remains were kept in Zaragoza until the night of October 16, when they were transferred to the Monastery of San Lorenzo de El Escorial."

1. The king went to whose funeral? There is no mention of a death. Or was a funeral part of the ceremonies marking the anniversary of Queen Elisabeth's death? There is missing information.

2. The disease, smallpox, spread rapidly. Spread to whom? Or does this mean that the illness that sent Balthasar Charles to bed on 6 Oct was diagnosed as smallpox and that it spread rapidly through his body? The wording is unclear.

3. The Host was exhibited until 3:00 when it became a general procession... As someone unfamiliar with Catholic ceremony, much less Catholic ceremony in 17th century Spain, I have no idea what this means or why it is included here. If this is a direct quote from a source describing the prince's deathbed then it should be in quotes. If not, then it's a lot of wordiness that causes confusion rather than adding to the article.

This paragraph needs clarification, perhaps a re-write. History Lunatic (talk) 06:52, 10 October 2014 (UTC)History Lunatic[reply]