Talk:Barbari bread

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Dubious reference to "Barbari" origin

The latest edit makes some dubious claims with a negative twist about the origins of the word "Barbari" in "Barbari bread". It references a self-written amature website that itself self-references for proof of its own statements. The Persian written article of the same, references a forum with a discussion about a barbarian tribe (referenced as "Hazara") who lived on the border of Iran and Afghanistan.

I suggest unless a serious source can be found indicating the origins of the term and the bread, that such textsts be removed. Justlemmechooseausername (talk) 10:22, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I added two sources of which at least one seems quite reliable, but I can't verify what the sources are stating about having this information either from Dekhoda dictionary or as per second source from the Academy of Persian Language and Literature. Zimistani (talk) 21:31, 1 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The article you've posted doesn't mention anything about Hazara people. My point is the link that is being made between "barbari" and "hazara". You won't be able to find any reputible source making such a link.

I've taken a moment to look up its etymology in an Iranian dictionary. It mentions that a tribe living in the north-eastern part of Iran used to be called "barbari". During Reza shah, by royal edict, he officially titled them "Khavari" (easterner). People with the family name "Khavari" can be found in Iran today, and people of Mashhad and surrounding towns are still called "Khavari".

We can debunk any connection with Hazara:

1. This historic event referencing "barbari people" is from recent history (1910-1930). Afghanistan was not part of Iran in those decades. Hence "people to the north-east of iran", would not have included Afghanistan.

2. The immigration of hazara to iran as a noteworthy event started from 1980s+ with the soviet invasion, followed by the occupation of foreign deobandi militants.

3. While the entirity of Western, Central and Southern Asia have breads with some similarity. Each region has its own unique breads, and Barbari bread is unique as well, and can't be found as a traditionally sold bread in Afghanistan. The hazara people are a proud people who've held onto their age old traditions in food and culture. It's unlikely they'd stop making a bread that is presumibly their creation. Justlemmechooseausername (talk) 22:35, 14 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've gave 8 months the time for anyone to respond to the above that debunked any claims that Barbari bread has any links with Hazara or Afghanistan. No response was provided. The text has now been corrected with correct. Kindly do not abuse the page any longer. Justlemmechooseausername (talk) 23:59, 29 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. This is not correct . The Hazaras immigrated to khorasan in qajar dynasty first time in 1893 because of genocide against hazara in 1892 by abdulrahman Khan king then alot of them run away from Afghanistan to khorasan. You can see the article of uprising Hazaras 1892 in wikipedia.

You can read it. Its completely false that you say Hazaras come to iran in 1980 !! شهر من هرات (talk) 06:00, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]