Talk:Barrancabermeja
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I introduced a big part of Barrancabermeja's page in Spanish Wikipedia and an Infobox.
Outdated Source[edit]
The report cited to prove the collaboration of Colombia's military with paramilitaries in the history section (http://www.hrw.org/reports98/colombia/Colom989-04.htm) seems out of date to me. I don't know whether the situation might have stayed the same, but I believe a 10-year-old source is too old for a current topic like this. Deivo 17:44, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Re: Outdated source Deivo, unless you have evidence that we can link to to support the case that the situation has indeed changed I don't think it would be fair to assume that it has. Even the US State Department recognizes that there has historically been a link between government and paramilitary forces. From a report from the Center for Defense Information: "Colombian and U.S. human rights organizations, the United Nations, and the U.S. State Department, have repeatedly reported collaboration between the military and paramilitary forces. According to a 2002 U.S. State Department report, "members of the security forces collaborated with paramilitary groups that committed abuses, in some instances allowing such groups to pass through roadblocks, sharing information, or providing them with supplies or ammunition." I will look for more recent official reports to document it but not to mention this controversial history would be disingenuous to say the least. barb 19:05, 26 February 2007 (UTC)barb
RE: The above[edit]
I took the liberty of deleting or changing references related to the above without leaving it out completely: where it said that paramilitaries controlled the town, I changed to say more or less that they used to, but that they don't exist anymore. It is not an issue of old documentation ("a 10-year-old source is too old for a current topic like this") that may be still good enough, but of a situation that has changed. Anyway, the writing for this town so interesting, beautiful and ugly and rich in history is so chaotic and often simple-minded that it would require a complete rewrite that I can't do myself. In the future I may ask people from the actual town to write more detailed materials and then translate them. Most of the materials found here and in the Ecopetrol entry --closely related to this- come form public relations materials.
This article is not about the paramilitaries. I find interesting that previous author emphasizes the conflict and popular organizations, but then, if that's the slant, so do it full-fledged and in detail, not just vaguely and leaving it in an out of date state. Say that it happen, when and how, and whether it still happens and in what form, and how it affects life in the town.
I hope I don't inconvenience anybody. Regards!! Blindvisionary (talk) 11:00, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
Citation Style[edit]
I went through adding and updating citations to this article but am unsure of which citation style to use since I used a combination of web sources and non-web sources. I'd like to have the footnote numbers link to their respective full citations under the "References/Works Cited" section but I don't know how to do that. (I think a numbered system rather than the traditional author-date format would work better because some sources are websites).
Also I added the "References/Works Cited" section to be separate from the "Sources" section because while the latter may be general source information the former is a citation to back up a specific statement. If this is an incorrect assumption I apologize; it made sense to me! barb 21:05, 26 February 2007 (UTC)barb
Copyedit[edit]
Materials requiring citation or not.[edit]
I took the liberty of removing the request for citations for text like this below. It refers to stuff so simple and so common that a verification for e.g., plantains and maize is --or seems to me superfluous.
"motor boats and canoes constantly arrive with fish and agricultural products from farmers along the river that include maize, cassava (or yuca in Spanish), plantain, and cacao."
With respect to the issue of "barrancas bermejas" (the "reddish riverbanks")and the city name, the article on Quesada mentions that he indeed touched on the site in the 16th century. Other than that, citation of the actual Quesada mention would require going to Colombia and looking for a actual source that corroborates this. But this is common and accepted knowledge, and I'm sure that all the sources for Quesada mention this, since barrancas bermejas is no secondary town.
I may have taken off requests for citations that still deserve it, if so I apologize.
Blindvisionary (talk) 10:45, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
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History of removing political and human rights history on this page[edit]
I was involved in editing this page in 2005 and 2010 and came back to read the page today and discovered that the article has been completely sanitized of any political content. Given the importance of political history to this city, I think it is important to note this pattern. I'm documenting specific incidents of removal of political content without explanation over the past 11 years for future reference:
2 January 2009: Political and human rights history removed without explanation by user Manuelarmando:
1 December 2010: Political and human rights history removed without explanation by IP address user:
27 November 2014: Largest unexplained content removal by far by Jagt8023:
This final removal is especially interesting because much of the material removed was added by the same user (removing previous material) on 31 January 2013: