Talk:Basil Dearden

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Location of accident[edit]

This WP article has the M40 as the location of the incident in which Dearden died; the article in MacFarlane's book suggests the M1. Philip Cross (talk) 23:30, 15 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

He was pronounced dead at Hillingdon Hospital, which is close to where the accident took place on the M4 near Heathrow Airport. If the accident had taken place on the M1, he wouldn't have ended up at Hillingdon Hospital.

2.98.102.233 (talk) 17:02, 14 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for finding the book source. I had to reword the material partly because it was copied from the book. I also changed the wording otherwise and added the date of his death to the body. I left in your change from British to English, but the name of the hospital where he was declared dead is unimportant. Thus, I removed all references to that. I also eliminated the unreliable ancestry-type source. Book is good.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:32, 14 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The articles already described him as being English, I correctly the persondata only. Where he was pronounced dead is of course not unimportant (he evidently didn't die at the roadside - so one could say where he actually died is of more importance than where the accident took place), and I have re-instated it. The findmypast ref backs up the information, is is reliable in that it is official UK death records. Also, the text wasn't copied verbatim from the book, but there are only so many words to describe actual facts - there was no possible copyright violation.

2.98.102.233 (talk) 17:59, 14 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but my rewording belies your point that you couldn't avoid the copying from the book. Official records are not reliable sources at Wikipedia, so you can't use them or derivatives of them. Please stop insisting. If you want to get consensus for your changes, you'll have to do it here, not by battling in the article. Putting aside the issue of place of death, your revert restored the copyright violation, reinserted the unreliable source, and undid my work in upgrading the ref to the book. I've warned you on your Talk page about the copyright violation. You're getting perilously close to being blocked.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:11, 14 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It seems you edit for the point of editing and contributing nothing to articles. My edit didn't violate any copyright - you simply instated a US term that doesn't belong. That is your incorrect defintion of what constitutes a copyright violation. You have removed his death place as referenced. Findmypast isn't unreliable, and also isn't the sole reference. The person battling here is you. You are the editor threatening to block someone who has actually contributed facts to this article - all you have done is blindly revert edits instead of doing any actual research yourself.

2.98.102.233 (talk) 18:16, 14 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]