Talk:Battle of Al Mahbes (1985)

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Result[edit]

Saying result is Military stalemate is basically saying Battle of the Bulge was stalemate , same with Battle of Arnhem for example , they weren't stalemate , the side defensive achieve their objective , defending their zone In this case FAR manage to Drive away the attackers , it is Not stalemate And This attack did shows that the Polisario can't wage conventional warfare as they couldn't handle heavy casualties , Not other way around , that's why they never attack wall directly using consecrated force since 1985 , otherwise they would just keep launching attacks into they liberated their land . — Preceding unsigned comment added by ABIDALAA (talk • contribs) 20:13, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That's WP:OR. M.Bitton (talk) 20:30, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mr Bitton, I have corrected the fault of conclusion of battle as Moroccan royal army successfully manage to drive attacker from breach near Al Mahbes region and remove POV conclusion , both do not use any source to support their claim , yet i am surprised that i am only one being require to add source , while writer of original article does not support his claim that this was Military stalemate , nor that Polisario could wage conventional warfare against Moroccan royal army . Regard ABIDALAA 20:49, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Replacing what you consider as unsourced with your WP:OR is not how Wikipedia works; so don't be surprised to see your changes reverted. As for the "military stalemate", I don't understand it either, since the Polisario achieved its primary goal (to breach the wall), which would make this battle a Polisario victory. Anyway, the article needs a lot of work before we can get to that and the result, removed for now, will become obvious once that's done. M.Bitton (talk) 12:31, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

i am only surprised that it only became issue when i done it , nothing more , also using that logic , German basically won battle of bulge because they initially breach their defensive , ignoring that they were driving back , as wall main objective is turn Polisario into conventional warfare instead of guerilla warfare tactics , something that happen in this battle , that's why they never attempted breach after 1985 . i would be grateful if you removed last conclusion of battle , it is POV and without source as well ABIDALAA (talk

1) Stalemate seemed neutral, that's why it wasn't seen as an issue. 2) Don't compare apples to oranges. 3) You are wrong about them not attempting to breach the wall after 1985 as most sources say that they did so at will. 4) Feel free to remove or tag the part that you think is problematic. M.Bitton (talk) 12:53, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

2) not really that seems appropriate example in military history , or other examples of defender driving attacker away and consider victory instead of Stalemate 3) can i have some of those source , breaching wall at will same as this battle , 4) thanks