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This seems to suggest that it was the Mujahideen who were forced to pull back, is it just a case of poor grammar? Sherurcij ^{(Speaker for the Dead)} 06:40, 29 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No, it is just a more objective and recent source.

I traced this information back to a Palestinian journalist who had contacts with bin Laden. [1] [2]

-YMB29 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 16:46, 29 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Potential reference for expansion[edit]

A few years ago I read/skim a part of the book, The Lofty Mountain, which has a first-hand account of the battle (bin Laden's) and has a lot of details. If someone wants to expand this page, it might be a good source. or at least I mention this source here, as I probably should not list it as a reference because it's not used. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PointyPenBoy (talk • contribs) 18:23, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Afghan mujahideen[edit]

The Afghan mujahideen needs to stay in the infobox as their involvement is supported by the article body and corroborated by multiple reliable sources Fanatizka (talk) 09:38, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Agree, especially since they probably performed most of the fighting as they lost way more men.

Hegghammer, Thomas (2020). The Caravan: Abdallah Azzam and the Rise of Global Jihad. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press. p. 347. doi:10.1017/9781139049375. ISBN 978-0-521-76595-4.

The jihadis displayed real courage, but they were also lucky. At one point there were only nine defenders left, but the Russians did not realize, and failed to take advantage of the situation before the reinforcements arrived. Besides, the Arabs, who numbered about eighty in the battle as a whole, were supported by a substantial Afghan force. This was reflected in the casualty figures; the Arabs lost thirteen or fourteen men while Sayyaf’s men lost around seventy. Still, it was a landmark achievement for the Arabs, who until then had not made much of a mark on the battlefield.

--Jo1971 (talk) 18:51, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's also worth noting that the reason why most accounts of this battle focus primarily on the Arab participation is largely owed to the fact that the Arabs were the only ones who considered it important. Most authoritative accounts of the Soviet-Afghan war do not even acknowledge this as a regular battle, but simply consider it a minor skirmish in an offensive that the Soviets had launched in Paktia to relieve a besieged garrison. Capturing the caves was not actually the Soviet objective. The Afghan mujahideen for their part were fighting a guerilla war that focused mostly on hit-and-run harassment attacks against the Soviets and was not focused on setting up and defending permanent bases in conventional warfare fashion. The Afghans even had to force the Arabs to retreat at multiple points because their insistence on holding on to undefendable terrain was undercutting their strategy. And for all the Jihadi propaganda about the "remarkable Arab victory at Jaji," there's actually no real accounts from reliable sources stating that the Soviets suffered any casualties at all during this battle. It was a propaganda victory much more so than a military one. Fanatizka (talk) 14:10, 20 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]