Talk:Battle of Takur Ghar

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Unknown Abbreviation[edit]

This sentence if from the section on the battle:

While the AFO forces suggested an insertion at a point 1300 meters east of the peak, the SEALs eventually decided upon an insertion to the peak itself.

AFO does not appear to be used earlier in the article, nor are there any titles starting with those letters. Abbreviation needs to be defined before its use in the document, or else a link should be provided to where an explanation can be found. Ileanadu (talk) 21:56, 11 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It's not in the DOD Dictionary of Military Terms. Ileanadu (talk) 01:17, 12 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Advanced Force Operations; refers to task forces made up of JSOC units. I'm guessing the sentence was referring to the other teams in the AFO detachment since the SEAL teams were also part of the detachment themselves. Dietcoketm (talk) 17:52, 9 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

As this acronym was still on the page, I have added the meaning given above by Dietcoketm. 220 of ^Borg 10:11, 7 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The Battle[edit]

This section starts out:

In the late evening of March 3, Lieutenant Colonel Blaber ...

Who is Blaber? What service branch? What is his role in the mission? Is he in charge of the helicopters? of AFO? Ileanadu (talk) 02:06, 12 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Blaber was the commander of the Advanced Force Operations detachment who were to provide on-location reconnaissance in the Shahi-Kot Valley, as said in Operation Anaconda Dietcoketm (talk) 17:52, 9 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This section might be able to be broken up into smaller subheadings to help alleviate the length of the main body and make it easier to read. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BenVega (talk • contribs) 14:10, 22 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Belligerents[edit]

This article does not follow the appropriate format for battles. The belligerents are not listed, nor are casualties, nor are force strengths, or commanders.

Also "killing multiple al-Qaeda"? How many? How? Where? Citation?--24.200.88.13 (talk) 13:13, 11 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

'A RPG then hit the helicopter, destroying the right engine...'[edit]

Problem here? Could someone resolve? Notreallydavid (talk) 01:21, 24 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see one... the two turboshaft engines are needed to drive the rotors, though if one engine fails the other should be able to power both rotors unless something else was damaged. Dietcoketm (talk) 17:52, 9 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Close support aircraft[edit]

I've read this article and seen a documentary on the National Geographic Channel about this battle and one question emerged: why didn't the americans use the A10 Warthog aircraft or the Apache helicopter to support the ground troops? Both could withstand hits of the insurgents most efective anti-aircraft weapon, which was a russian made 50 cal machine gun.

Nimitz 1943 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nimitz1943 (talk • contribs) 13:35, 30 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

If I remember correctly, F-15s were called in because they were already nearby, possibly on another sortie. I agree that much more probably could have been done but there are many factors to consider when it comes to air support and requesting a CAS mission is not an easy process. Did they even have A-10s/AH-64s at the nearby airfield? Were they already being tasked? Were they already fueled and armed? The article does say though that the Australian SAS team directed other Coalition airstrikes through the night but I don't know anything about that. Dietcoketm (talk) 17:52, 9 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Unreliable Sources?[edit]

Why are some of the references marked as unreliable sources? DouglasCalvert (talk) 00:34, 28 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No damn idea. You may ask Mesoderm who added the "unreliable sources" tags without explanation. Rob1bureau (talk) 13:23, 30 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I pulled the tag on Blaber's book, since he's confirming stuff that first appeared in Naylor's book. I haven't read Self's so can't comment on it. Intothat darkness 15:40, 24 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It almost feels like this article was heavily edited to favour Leigh Neville... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:FEA8:61F:F0D0:C8B4:16AD:2B9B:CED1 (talk) 18:24, 29 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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GRIM-32, Situation Critical[edit]

Might want to explain "GRIM-32". It just pops up at one point w/o any explanation. And since "Situation Critical" is mentioned - there are quite some differences between the description there and here ... JB. --92.193.204.81 (talk) 05:27, 24 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Grim-31 was the callsign of a C130J that was on station for Mako31. There was another C130J callsign Nail that was also onstation. I don't remember the order of which arrived first and which relieved the other. - sorry I don't know how to sign this to say who wrote it, but the material is also referenced in the book ALone at Dawn which talks about John Chapman.

Add external link to video of the battle captured by predator drone?[edit]

This video, uploaded in 2019, shows the actions of John Chapman as seen from CIA predator drone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oKMjTqdTYo — Preceding unsigned comment added by BudgiePanic (talk • contribs) 10:30, 22 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

MoH controversy[edit]

Just wanted to post this up as it was brought up on the talk page for Britt Slabinski, the DEVGRU guy who also was awarded the MoH during the battle of takur ghar. Some pretty serious charges of slabinski leaving chapman behind even though the latter wasn't dead. And mention of coordinated efforts by the Navy to block or deny this while pushing for slabinski to get the MoH. As we all know, both were awarded it. But I think the two issues of purportedly abandoning Chapman and the alleged Navy interference over the award are significant enough to warrant some discussion. And they're from reliable sources as they're mentioned in multiple sources (sean naylor articles in newsweek and NYTimes, task and purpose, washington post, and elsewhere). Kinda busy with other articles but may try to swing back around later to work on it (if agreed upon). Thoughts? Jasonkwe (talk) (contribs) 02:27, 23 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

why is the novel "alone at dawn" by dan schilling and lori longfitz not cited?[edit]

The book, "Alone at Dawn" is an excellent source material for this topic and even though i briefly scanned through "talk" and the actual wikipedia entry, i believe it would clarify and add alot of material for operation anaconda. If no one else more knowledgeable is available to do so, I can try to although i don't feel fully qualified to do so. 2600:6C67:4F3F:1B00:3970:3278:70D8:EBAC (talk) 07:16, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]