Talk:Battle of Tinzaouaten (2024)

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A fact from Battle of Tinzaouaten (2024) appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 23 September 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Mali and Niger broke off diplomatic relations with Ukraine over the country's alleged support for rebel groups in the Battle of Tinzaouaten?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2024/September. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Battle of Tinzaouaten (2024).

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The result was: promoted by Kimikel talk 13:56, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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~~... that the Battle of Tinzaouaten likely saw the Wagner Group's largest death toll in Mali since its deployment there in 2021?~~

Source: Bloomberg

ALT1: ... that Ukraine's Main Directorate of Intelligence said that it provided Tuareg rebels assistance that enabled their victory in a battle against Wagner Group mercenaries in Mali?

Source: The Guardian

ALT2: ... that Ukraine's military intelligence agency provided support to Tuareg rebels in Mali during the Battle of Tinzaouaten?

Source: The Guardian

ALT3: ... that Nikita Fedyanin, the administrator of the Wagner Group-linked Telegram channel Grey Zone, was killed during the Battle of Tinzaouaten?

Source: Voice of America

ALT4: ... that Mali and Niger broke off diplomatic relations with Ukraine over their support for rebel groups in the Battle of Tinzaouaten?

Source: RFI

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Created by Chomik1129 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

Chomik! (talk?) 17:21, 29 July 2024 (UTC).[reply]

@Chomik: can you pick a hook that's more definitive? "Likely" sounds ambiguous and usually requires attribution.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 14:07, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Vice regent: most sources agree that this was the Wagner Group's biggest loss in Mali ([1] [2] [3]) but I'm not sure if it would be acceptable to remove the word "likely" since there's no confirmed death toll. If not, I could change the hook to be about Ukraine's involvement. Chomik! (talk?) 14:35, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If the toll is not confirmed best not to use it as a hook. Ukraine's involvement does sound more interesting.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 16:17, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Vice regent: added an alt hook about Ukraine. Chomik! (talk?) 17:02, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It looks good as it is. I would prefer "that Ukraine said it provided Tuareg rebels with assistance in their successful ambush of Wagner Group mercenaries in Mali?" As I said on talk this was more of an ambush. But I think your alt is fine too.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 22:27, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Full review needed. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:59, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Will take, probably tomorrow. For now, striking ALT0.--Laun chba ller 14:32, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Chomik1129: Long enough, new enough. No copyright concerns, no maintenance templates deserved, no QPQ needed. The hook does not meet WP:DYKINT - please propose a hook that is unusual or intriguing to a broad audience.--Laun chba ller 07:43, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Chomik1129: Please address the above.--Laun chba ller 09:13, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Launchballer: I created a hook that I think is easier to understand. What are your thoughts? Chomik! (talk?) 10:31, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comprehensibility isn't the problem, although that is a better hook in that respect. A country providing support during a battle is not unusual.--Laun chba ller 10:39, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Launchballer: I see. I added another hook, do you think it's okay? Chomik! (talk?) 12:51, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would question the WP:DUEness of 'non-notable employee of non-notable social media channel is one of lots and lots of casualties'.--Laun chba ller 22:03, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Understood. I added another hook that I think is more interesting. Sorry if this is bothering you. Chomik! (talk?) 23:46, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Not half as much as it might annoy me being chastised at WT:DYK or WP:ERRORS...) I think ALT4 is interesting and it checks out and is short enough, so let's roll.--Laun chba ller 10:19, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge proposal

I propose a merger Tinzaouaten ambush into Battle of Tinzaouaten (2024), I created that article not knowing this article exists and thus it is a duplicate article.Garmin21 (talk) 06:53, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. As you created the article and the only other contributor has made just a few copy edits, I think you should boldly go ahead and merge. Nurg (talk) 09:13, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agree to merging. I also think "ambush" is a more WP:COMMONNAME than "battle"[4][5].VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 13:15, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Bold merge works in this scenario as it's an unintended extra. Jebiguess (talk) 18:19, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm going to go ahead and merge if not one has any objections--Garmin21 (talk) 06:54, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]