Talk:Battle of the Burning Plains

Battle of the Burning Plains was nominated as a good article, but it did not meet the good article criteria at the time (May 31, 2006, reviewed version). There are suggestions below for improving the article. If you can improve it, please do; it may then be renominated.

Reason for GA failure[edit]

Main thing article is not stable. Since created only today. -- tasc ^talk_deeds 21:14, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move[edit]

Battle of Burning Plains → Battle of the Burning Plains. Rationale: correct title is "Battle of the Burning Plains"

Survey[edit]

Support, as proposer « Amina . skywalker (¿Hábleme?) 15:43, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support.--May the Force be with you! Shr e shth91 ($ |-| ŗ 3 $ |-| ţ |-|) 04:03, 26 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Done. —Nightst a llion (?) 08:42, 30 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Good Article nomination has failed[edit]

The Good article nomination for Battle of the Burning Plains has failed, for the following reason:

It doesn't discuss the significance of this battle outside the fictional universe. Worldtraveller 12:17, 31 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

read WP:Lead the current opening paragraph is insufficient in content for a GA article Gnangarra 13:34, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Alot like "I am your father"[edit]

There should be something about how the end bit is coppied from Star Wars, I put a it that said that on but it appears to have been removed by someone who is unable to comprehend that Paolini (basicly) plagerised, that person should remember that it is not only their opinion that matters on wikipedia.

I DO NOT want to get in to an argument with fans, but there has to be something about it. Shadoom1 06:42, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but Wikipedia only posts verifiable comment; this piece of information is only your opinion, and not actually verified. As you can see, most of the article is adapted from the book itself, so it is totally verifiable. For more info, please see WP:V. --May the Force be with you! Shr e shth91 ($ |-| ŗ 3 $ |-| ţ |-|) 16:24, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"Speculation Murtagh, in his final revelation says "...Zar'roc should have gone to Morzan's eldest son, not his youngest. It is mine by right of birth"[8] The use of the words: eldest and youngest in the superlative, gives rise to the theory that there are more than two brothers, one of whom is between Eragon and Murtagh in age."

This bit is not verified but is still in the article, if I put the "Iam your father/brother" bit under another heading would it be okay? Shadoom1 04:48, 5 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed the speculation per wikipedia policy. Please do not re-add your "I am your father" content. --May the Force be with you! Shr e shth91 ($ |-| ŗ 3 $ |-| ţ |-|) 05:22, 5 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

okShadoom1 08:29, 6 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Prod concern[edit]

I don't beleive that this article is a deleteable article, as it describes a major and important incident in a major book. The concerns of original research are laughable; as you can see, it is so highly referenced, and there is no OR part. The whole content has its source from the book. And this incident is definitely well-written, comprehensive, and is near GA level, so there is no question of a bad article. If you feel it's not-notable, maybe you would think it's more important than a pokémon character. --May the Force be with you! Shr e shth91 ($ |-| ŗ 3 $ |-| ţ |-|) 10:28, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Outcome of the battle[edit]

Having not read the books (but with a curiosity prompted by the critics' slamming of the movie), I looked to this article for understanding of this universe. My biggest question is WHO WON THIS BATTLE? Though the article states that the arrival of Eragon's kinsmen and the dwarves disheartened the Imperial forces arrayed against them, the very last line--after the description of Eragon's defeat at the hands of the other rider--indicates that the Resistance was thoroughly routed. Which one happened, and if they were routed, what turned the tide back against the Resistance? Thanks. 208.58.73.181 19:26, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Its assumed that Eragon and co won the battle, as they drove the army away, and Murtagh ran back to Galby. They were saved by the entrance of the Dwarves extra forces, but its just another testament to Paolinis poor writing that its unclear who won - PaddyPyro

I dont agree that it is poor wirghting because it clearly staes on page 635 of my hardback copy "Though the bulk of the Empires forces remained the Empire had sounded the retreat..."this cleary sujests a victory to the Varden - Urbanninja3 Urbanninja3 17:12, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes but why did they win? In the preivous pages describing the battle, Eragon (a dragon rider) is seen as a major point of morale for the troops, in fact is a vital part of the battle. Yet Eragon gets his asskicked by Murtagh, who you would assume would be the same morale booster for the Empires troops. And armies don't just melt away like that, they'd retreat and with any semi-decent officer corps they'd be rallied.- PaddyPyro

If you think armies do not just melt away read Battle of Marathon. The Athenians won an army 5 times their size because it melted away 193.48.189.201 15:03, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Criticism[edit]

Unless links to either sites or printed material writing criticism of the battle are given this section will be completely revamped so as to comply with the NO ORIGINAL RESEARCH rule Ikokki 16:31, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]