Talk:Bayda and Baniyas massacres

Not neutral

This article violates the Neutral points of view policy as it ignores reports of killings of pro-government people - what would indicate that the rebels did some or all the killing.

See also http://acloserlookonsyria.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Al-Bayda_Massacre 83.85.50.92 (talk) 19:34, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for mentioning this here. I'm the main author on that page, with that point since expanded into a couple external articles with extra research, encapsulated in the lengthy, super-detailed article at Global Research in Sept. 2013 (re-posted in June, 2014). I'm here now to see about moderate page improvements, but the main one I find already done, citing me. Excellent.

But to be fair, neutrality is measured considering "reliable sources," mainstream-professional-paid journalists. Clearly a citation of the Reuters piece at least is merited, with a note, and maybe a few other things. But even from the Syrian government and loyalist sources, there was never much of a ready-made claim of rebel massacre to weigh, and no equivalent of the FAZ reports re: Houla massacre. I gather Wikipedia doesn't lean towards original investigative work by its often-random users. And of course my/our bit of detective work here obviously isn't mainstream-reliable (although my vote would be that it is good enough work to directly cite, way better than anything by corporate-owned, rebel-crediting journalists to date). But it's on the talk page at least. --AdamakaCausticLogic (talk) 02:44, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

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Article is a mess

This is article is a complete mess. The village raided part leads into a line about the Biyassi tribe members being killed who are government loyalists but it makes it sound like they were killed by the government. It makes no sense at all. This article should be rewritten completely because it was two different massacres. The rebels killed 30+ government loyalists in a massacre and then the government did a retaliation massacre.