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Numbers

Where do these numbers come from? Is there a source? Fstutzman 17:11, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Interstellar messaging

..."Some have criticised this action because it might draw unwanted attention to Earth, provoking an attack or other inimical action." .. um, seriously people. We need something better then that. I mean people are going be thinking!? If there is any suggestion, that don't imply use getting attacked from aliens because of a social networking website, I'll be more then happy to hear them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pcwise (talk • contribs) 21:26, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Urgent change of article

I've noticed that there is something that just isn't right in this article, and I can't change it (I don't know exactly the reason why). The thing that completely untrue is that Bebo would have joined the atheist-fundamentalist group the Richard Dawkins Foundation. That is NOT what RDF stands for, as can clearly be read in the press release Bebo wrote; ..."RDF Digital, part of the RDF Media Group, has partnered up with the social network site Bebo.com to allow its community to create a ground-breaking digital time capsule that will be beamed 120 trillion miles into space."... source: http://www.bebo.com/Press.jsp?PressPageId=7554880862 minutz3 16:14, 29 September 2008 (ECT)


Expanding Article

I think. --contribs) 13:04, December 4, 2006. identity and I am from the island of Ireland

It would be unfair to say seen a skin to be disproportionately represented on Bebo, for whatever reason. This should certainly be noted. I would also like to see more on the company behind Bebo — where are they based, turnover etc. Rufous 16:44, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
Ireland's (total) population is somewhere in the region of 5.8 / 5.9 million, 600,000 (now) of which have Bebo accounts. This means around 9-10% of Irish people have Bebo, which is disproportionatly large for a country that size. If you look "Bebo" up on "Google Trends" you see that Ireland leads other regions, with it way ahead of the next largest place, the U.K., the U.S. doesn't even come close. [1] Jvlm.123 14:35, 11 June 2006 (UTC)


BEBO IS FOR HOMOS. it is stupid and cancels peoples account even when theyre not underage for being underage go ---- your mum bebo:) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rebeccaratty (talk • contribs) 06:28, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Deftly put. Moron. They hardly ever cancel people's accounts anyway, unless you spam like crazy. Joe Dull (talk) 12:18, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Bebo Security

The article mentions that external SWF files for flashboxes are discontinued as of early April 2006. This is in response to the terrible security holes the flashboxes were. Stepehen Hardiman exposed this around the 7th of April, when he created a replicating flashbox. Whenever a logged in user viewed a profile with the flashbox, they would automatically get the flashbox on their profile and so on. It spread to over 15,000 profiles in two days before he stopped it. He could have deleted the accounts of all users with the flashbox if he wanted to. I think this should be added to the page.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 140.203.7.37 (talk • contribs) 11:06, April 12, 2006.

Spam

I removed the following:

Bebo is renowned for spamming email addresses. These messages, which arrive totally unsolicitated in your email account, ask the user to update information and to add yourself to others (people you do not even know) address books. Asking for your email to be removed from their mailing lists results in further spam from other related companies...

This is untrue. The emails the author is refering too are sent out as a result of somoneone joining bebo and specificly inviting other people. Emails are sent by bebo on behalf of an exisiting user who for instance wants to invite a few friends.

Conor 17:15, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

That is in order. Bebo honoured my requests to not email me any more, so I don't think this is true. Stifle (talk) 00:15, 6 May 2006 (UTC

They stopped harassing me- after I signed up. 222.155.1.250 10:29, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

I have never recieved such an email. Ever. elevenzerooneme / what i've done / email 20:04, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

I just received a bebo spam email, with my name attached. So now some idiot has added my NAME to their database, BRILLIANT! Roidroid 12:42, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

I hadn't ever visited any Bebo site or even heard of Bebo before I checked my inbox today. They sent three emails. The first thanked me for allegedly creating a Bebo account, under my email address but some apparently random name. The other two emails informed me of unknowns person having joined my friends group. The emails were sent over a ten minute span. Everything currently in the "Criticisms and Controversy" section describes the behavior of Bebo users which the company obviously has little control over and no direct involvement with. How is there no place for any mention of this "marketing" technique in that section, when it's an actual, deliberate attempt by Bebo to deceive? Certainly somebody can come up with precedents for including note of similar viral campaigns in articles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.185.29.138 (talk) 13:18, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Popularity

440th? Sounds right to me, because I never heard about this site until I saw this article today: [2]

Thing is, the article says Nielsen says Bebo and MySpace regularly sit at 5 and 6 in terms of page views. How is this different than the Alexa rankings, which put MySpace at 5 and Bebo at 440?

- Tenfour 22:10, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Alright then. Bebo is slowly poking up the ranking though.elevenzerooneme / what i've done / email 20:06, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

i heard bebo was 40th... and is the 3rd largest social networking site in the world, behind facebook and myspace. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.32.156.156 (talk) 12:29, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

List of social networking websites on AfD

List of social networking websites is currently an AfD candidate. You are invited to partake in this discussion. Czj 18:40, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

I am sure this is advesting

Thats just what i think. Philip1992 18:45, 10 October 2006 (UTC)Philip1992

I'm not so sure. Is it because of the thorough treatment of available features that it seems like an advertisement? Opinions, anyone? That big tag at the top of the article certainly gets a lot of attention, and we'd want to be sure it's meritted. --Enter The Crypt 01:27, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

I am an incredibly dry writer. I will go through and remove all PT Barnum-isms and flourishes, as well at pluck all preened feathers. As far as anything being accurate or what-have-you, I leave that up to you all to figure out. Hope it helps! Resonanteye


dry as an old bone

This is no longer assvertising. Now it is a description. I'll watch for a few days to make sure it doesn't get too slack-jawed about every little hair on bebo's precious head. After that I'm on to other things. Hope that helped. Resonanteye 12:04, 21 November 2006 (UTC)


I agree. It seems the advertising tag is being added from an IP address/user with a history of vandalism and abuse. I don't think it's warranted, and that would appear to be the consensus on this discussion page. --Enter The Crypt 20:28, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Pronunciation guide

Is the pronunciation "Bee-boh" correct? I'm asking since the edit was initially made by a user who had vandalised the page previously. Karsini 18:47, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

if we're not sure and they don't have a pronunciation guide on the site then it should be removed.--Crossmr 20:04, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
I'd also agree with that, for the moment I'll mark it and see what happens. Karsini 21:35, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
Furthermore, if it is correct, shouldn't the pronunciation be given in the correct style used in dictionaries? --Enter The Crypt 01:34, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
Pronounciation guide IS on the site, here: http://www.bebo.com/OurBlog.jsp?PageNbr=5, under the heading "We say Bebo, you say..." Mcdreamy 23:32, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
That site is no longer there. Couldn't tell if the IPA was supposed to represent BAY-boh or BEE-boh. kwami (talk) 08:38, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
The blog post has moved to this page. Andreworkney (talk) 16:15, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

"5 users per second" quote

In the introduction, it states: "It is estimated that about 5 people register every second[1]." The article cited does not say that at all. Furthermore, this is a nonsensical number - it would mean approximately 432,000 users sign up to Bebo each day, or an average of almost 13 million users a month. As Bebo's cited userbase is under 30 million, this is clearly misinformation.

List of social networking websites on AfD

List of social networking websites is currently a candidate for deletion. You are invited to partake in the discussion.--Crossmr 14:09, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

The need for IPA, folks.

I've grown rather annoyed at the fact that, every time that I add an IPA transcription, some wise-ass decides to replace it with their own peculiar (English-flavoured) attempt at phoneticising the word. I'm not usually so brusque, but enough already with the reverting; it's really hacking me off. IPA is the only transcription system of which the style guide to Wikipedia approves. This is with reason. The IPA is the best attempt to go beyond linguistic borders and teach people how to pronounce something. The sound in bebo, is a long i (as in Pete), not a long e (as in day,) even though that's how the messed-up English language would transcribe it due to vowel changes. Looking at the current wondrous phoneticising, a Francophone would pronounce bebo as bebb-o, and a Lusophone as bebb-u. With the IPA, everyone is on equal grounds. I apologise for the rant-like nature of this statement, but it is something in which I have a passionate belief, sad as that may be. Peace, --It's-is-not-a-genitive 12:25, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Here, here! --Enter The Crypt 16:29, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for your support, Enter the Crypt. Sadly, it didn't take long for someone to revert it to a peculiar, anglicised monstrosity, sigh. --It's-is-not-a-genitive 19:08, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
I've put in an edit notice stating how IPA is the correct system for Wikipedia. I hope it helps --Enter The Crypt 23:20, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Actual Information

Like a creation/went live Date, the article isn't really of any standard. It is just decriptive not Informative. there needs to be better information provided ie: Start Date, Went Live Date, Creators, Useage graph, etc. Blu sonic 18:36, 6 February 2007 (UTC)


That's true. Though that information could be hard to root out, you're right that it is necessary. --Enter The Crypt 23:19, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Protection

I've protected this page due to the high level of juvenile vandalism occurring over the past few days. Fstutzman 12:48, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Placing a protection template on a page does not protect it. Only administrators can protect pages. If you need an admin to protect a page, file an RFP. --J.L.W.S. The Special One 13:29, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
Well it needs to be done soon. I just fixed the Background section, which had "LEEEROOY JENKINS" replacing the information, by the user 81.179.225.139. --Andrex 20:21, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Athors

There are some new sections to bebo, maybe somthing new should be written on them. Also this artical seems to give a very bad impresion of the site when in reality there have been a lot more happy users then rape victoms connected to Bebo--Wiggstar69 18:49, 16 March 2007 (UTC).

I 100% agree, we need to highlight & discuss the good features and only mention the bad aspects, not the other way around as is currently being done
Ferdia O'Brien The Archiver And The Vandal Watchman 19:36, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Copyvio

I recently reverted an edit which added copyrighted text from another website - this. Please have a look whether any of the information there could be relevant to improving the article. Thanks xC | ☎ 17:36, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Derry

Personally I use "Derry", but the article originally used "Londonderry, and I think that (like British & U.S. English) whoever gets there first gets to choose. Note also that it's rather disingenuous to claim that the residents prefer "Derry"... --Mel Etitis (Talk) 08:55, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

WP:IMOS states that on Wikipedia "Derry" is to be used for the city and "Londonderry" for the county. Hope this clears it up! GiollaUidir 16:10, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

How can a point of view be neutral?

Hi Are you guys on drugs or simply stupid? How can a "point of view be neutral" ? I am going to check this out in a minute, but I am pretty sure you guys must be americans!!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.84.153.27 (talk) 16:20, 21 April 2007 (UTC).

That's an interesting oxymoron actually that had never occurred to me before.--h i s s p a c e r e s e a r c h 17:44, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Alexa Rank mistake

Tonyf12 15:52, 5 May 2007 (UTC) Bebo is now Alexa rank 86 and in the article it says it is alexa rank 89.

What about the good things?

Aren't you people thinking about the good things on Bebo? I have a Bebo and I think it's fun! Anyway, most people are only friends with people they know.

Having your own online profil and decorating and changing it is fun! to be let on in all places

please add language de

de:Bebo —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.149.82.142 (talk) 18:13, August 28, 2007 (UTC)

Be bold and change it then! WeBuriedOurSecretsInTheGarden 19:36, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Bebo Servers down

Yesterday and today the bebo servers have been down and not accessable or very slow, should this be noted in the article? Nitromaster 20:07, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

no bebo often has outages or server backlogs to fix things or add updates (weather made public at the time or for beta purposes)

Article Rewrite?

I'm planning on rewriting the article,any one disagree with the article being rewritten? Nitromaster 20:07, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

While your doing it maybe add some more up-to-date details, like the fact that volinteers are reviewing spam reports, that kinda thing, this article really reads from a negitive POV if you ask me.
Ferdia O'Brien The Archiver, Reformatter And Vandal Watchman (Talk) 16:24, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
Don't mention that volunteers assist with the monitoring of SPAM as these individuals are supposed to remain anonymous. RyanLupin (talk/contribs) 17:08, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

The spam reviewers are supposed to remain annonymous, ie nobody knowing they review spam. No reason to not include details as long as you don't link to any spam reporters page? Nitromaster 19:53, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

But the fact that there are volunteers who exist that monitor spam is also to remain unknown. There is nothing on the bebo main website that states this fact so how can you cite it anyway? RyanLupin (talk/contribs) 20:14, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Does Michael Birch deserve an article?

He is the creator of multiple sites,the most notable being bebo with over 38 million members. Nitromaster 21:28, 18 September 2007 (UTC)


I don't know any of his sites other than Bebo, so I'd say no. Emperor Jackal (talk) 20:16, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Merger proposal

Considering the size of Michael Birch's article, it would probably be better to merge his info into this article. RyanLupin (talk/contribs) 16:56, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, then someone should expand Michael Birch's article instead of merging two. He created bebo.com and ringo.com. He sold ringo.com and used the earnings to create bebo.com. I have expanded his article a little, and It'll be great if other people can help out with that. Web 2.0 Junkie 20:32, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Yep,It should be expanded. He also co-founded birthdayalarm.com. I'll speak to bebo staff later and see if some of tohse would work on it Nitromaster 21:35, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
That's a good idea, however, you need to bear WP:NPOV in mind. RyanLupin (talk/contribs) 21:56, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

I will..... Waiting for someone to come online on msn, must be too busy at the moment with bebo mobile launching today in the uk and stuff Nitromaster 22:52, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

No, it shouldn't merge. He did more than just bebo and beo has more people involved, It be like merging Tom into MySpace. Tonyf12 20:00, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

I second that, also like merging The Pope into God (sorry to chose such a bad/wierd example) but don't do it. -- Michaeldouglas26 (talk) 21:04, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Definitely doesn't seem appropriate to merge. Bebo and Michael Birch are two distinct entities.--Gmaletic (talk) 18:41, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Agree again that the merger seems a bit weird. As the weight of opinion seems to agree, I'll remove the merger proposal from the page. Annihilatenow (talk) 11:39, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

no--XCheese360 (talk) 05:42, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

No - Michael Birch's article should not be merged with the article because, as said, they are two distinct entities. There is no advantage by merging the two articles. It is of no benefit, I feel, to the website. Michael Birch has many different projects and websites, both currently and in the past, so this article should be expanded and developed, not merged.

Davidlive (talk) 12:30, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

secret smiley codes

isn't this worth adding? there are quite a few smilies on bebo that you can't easily find the code for. i'm not saying add the codes, more mentioning there are secret smilies! just an idea... 194.221.133.211 09:32, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

I don't think it's really appropriate for an encyclopaedia. RyanLupin (talk/contribs) 15:17, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Neither do I, Some users have critised the small amount of smilies though <not appropriate either. And theres a smilie test page with unused smilies at bebo Smilie Test Page Nitromaster 18:49, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Should NOT be added, The guy who added the links actually owns the first one, —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nitromaster (talk • contribs) 21:33, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Page needs to be re-organized?

Today, I have added details on Bebo's Reality TV thing 'Darwin', and details of Bebo's intergration with OpenSocial I think the article would be better if it was divided up into different sections,if you know what i mean? I'm crap at layout so will however leave it to someone else..... Nitromaster 20:01, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

What do you mean different sections. Give me a basic idea as to what you wanted changed and I could do it for you. —— Ryan (t)•(c)•(review me!) 20:11, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Controversy Section

Never edited before, so im not too sure on the protocol, but I changed children to individuals in the Controversy section, considering the fact that the phrase "children under the age of 18" is either redundant, or implies that people aged 19-20 are children. I don't believe that was the intended meaning. I also didn't feel that simply defining anyone under 18 as a child would convey the proper impression either, since at least from my eyes, when someone hears "child" the first thought is generally not a 17 year old, but rather someone not yet into their teens. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.160.148.216 (talk) 12:58, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Bebo Skins

I have just started a website that provides unique bebo skins for users of the bebo community. I was going to be adding a link to the website at the bottom of the article under external links to the website, as I believe it contains material relative to visitors of this article. I would appreciate if users of the article could give me feedback on what they think of the relevancy of my site before I add the link. The website is at www.newskinz.com and has only been online for a couple off weeks, although it has an ever growing skin collection that should in a couple of months reach over 100 unique skins. Any help would be most appreciated on this matter and I look forward to recieving both positive and negative feedback on the topic.

Best regards

Darren —Preceding unsigned comment added by Globaltabs (talk • contribs) 17:36, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm afraid it's against Wikipedia's policy to promote your own website in the external links. If it is relevant and materially important, someone else will add it, I'm sure. Simulato (talk) 22:51, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Takeover

According to Morgan Webb's "Webbalert", Bebo has been bought out by someone (however it is unclear by who). Maybe someone could shed light on this and add it to the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.154.90.209 (talk) 20:41, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

AOL - Time Warner Internet (AOL) have bought Bebo.com for $850 Million. This has been reflected in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Davidlive (talk • contribs) 12:27, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Darwin is removed?

I returned to the page today to find that some sections were missing, for example Darwin. I work on the Darwin Syndicate, on the Bebo website, and I question why this item has been removed from the Bebo page.

Darwin is still active at this time, and has many members still involved. No actual identification or information regarding a shutdown or cancellation has been created or sent from HQ, so I don't think it is appropriate for it to be removed.

It is an important feature, and a feature of Bebo in it's own right. I am therefore recommending that we return this section to the page.

Opinions please.

Davidlive (talk) 12:24, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

The page was totally messed up regarding missing sections etc when I fixed it just there. I re-added the Darwin section along with the other removed sections. I added this line to the end: After the AOL takover, Michael Birch forgot to restart the voting for the next round of the game and subsquently announced that Darwin was over the following week. Nitromaster (talk) 20:55, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Logo is whacky...

I'm not sure where this logo came from, but it it neither the new (existing) logo or the old logo. If someone wants to update, here is a page bebo uses to deliver logos to press and partners:

http://www.bebo.com/StaticPage.jsp?StaticPageId=3904836005

Jozecuervo (talk) 19:28, 7 May 2008 (UTC)


- Fixed. It was desperately needed too!

Whoa, that was an unusual looking image. Anyway, I used a Bebo logo, an official one, and uploaded it according to licence permissions.

Excellent stuff! Thank you Jozecuervo for your input.

Davidlive (talk) 16:30, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Nice one david, Transpearant images such as pngs or scalable svgs are a much preferred format for images on wikipedia. For example http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:AOL_logo.png If you wish to take the transpearant png file of the logo and upload it to wikipedia and this article, it would be much appreciated :) Nitromaster (talk) 22:23, 5 June 2008 (UTC)


- Done and Done!

I've now uploaded a larger version of the logo, in .png format, and transparent for pleasure! The page now uses the new logo. When I uploaded the old logo, as spoken about, the system was not accepting it for some reason, so hence the small, and possibly rubbish image was uploaded by me- I couldn't post the good version we see now.

I hope this is all to your satisfaction. Now, I'm off to check out my Facebook account. Only kidding.

Davidlive (talk) 17:39, 10 June 2008 (UTC)



Just a note: "BEBO" does not stand for blog early blog often. It had the name Bebo long before it featured blogs, back when it was a site for managing contacts.Internet Archive Pphheerroonn (talk) 17:26, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Inclusion of "A Message from Earth"

Bebo will be beaming a message via a radar satellite with 500 messages from the Bebo Community "120 trillion miles into space". Basically, it's going to post some messages and information to some planets which may have some form of life on them.

It sounds like an interesting concept, and I do see it as being far more important than inclusion of "Kate Modern" or "Sofia's Diary", as it has received lots of media attention and has a lot of important companies and groups such as the Russian Academy of Space and RDF, to name but a few. Plus, a television programme is to be made about it all.

http://www.bebo.com/Press.jsp?PressPageId=7554880862 - The link to the press item.

I am asking do people think this worth inserting (briefly) into the article, maybe under a new subsection remarking come ventures Bebo has become involved in. The reason I am asking is that I would rather see if people agree to inserting it, rather than taking my time to write up something good, only to have it deleted by some ignorant person on WP with no reason behind the removal.

So, what do you all think?

Davidlive (talk) 22:40, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Someone add a small section on it, someone else then removed it. I reverted it so the article has the section as I believe it is note-worthy. It needs some tidying up/improvement though Nitromaster (talk) 22:11, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

fix this.

Interstellar messaging

Bebo is collaborating with RDF to send 500 messages to the planet Gliese C which is more than 20 light-years away but the nearest good candidate for a neighbouring extraterrestial civilisation. Some have criticised this action because it might draw unwanted attention to Earth, provoking an attack or other inimical action.[17]

can you delete that ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.12.223.65 (talk) 15:46, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Firstly, you need to explain why this causes an issue. If I am correct, this is factual information, and is a reference to "A Message from Earth", which is a project by Bebo as a collaboration. If you think this needs to be removed, please state and suggest why, as per Wikipedia Guidelines. Also, I understand that Wikipedia does not force registration, but it may be good to mention such requests for deletion under a registered account, to verify that it is a legitimate request, rather than a simple edit by a web user. I await your reply with interest.

Thank you for your input by the way,

Davidlive (talk) 16:22, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

I just want to point out that there is something wrong with this article. Bebo isn't joining forces with the atheist-motivated Richard Dawkins Foundation but rather the RDF Media group, as one can clearly see in the press release, as well as in the article from the BBC. minutz3 (talk) 09:02, 26 September 2008 (ECT)

tim warnecke is tha bomb of tha ps3 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.56.60.3 (talk) 18:28, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

bebo sucks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.39.236.99 (talk) 02:41, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Cam Spam

Over recent months, spammers have begun using Bebo to send out "cam spam". For example:

I'm reallly bored and just looking to chat with somebody online right now, maybe even get a little frisky.

A little about me... I'm pretty calm, and my hobbies are Basketball, Volleyball, and Partying. My favorite food is probabaly Mexican

Anyways, I'll be on MS|N mess enger if you want to get to know me a little better.

My username on there is jane.abrams46665@hotmail.com

has been sent to me as mail multiple times, and comments such us:

THIS IS A LOAD OF SHIT BEBO IS REALLY SAFE AND IGNORE PEOPLE WHO SEND THIS STUFF 'XoX

New Look

Should the whole page redesign be mentioned in the article i think it's noteworthey considering it was a drastic change. <span wtf


What do you mean by "<span wtf"??

helooo this is mia marcer bye everyone..x —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.26.118.5 (talk) 16:18, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

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