Talk:Bernardo Bertolucci

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Issues[edit]

a line in the entry states ' ..[t}he character Isabelle declares she was born in 1959, even though the film is set in the late sixties. This line is not to be taken literally; '

perhaps the birth date of a mysterious brother is not to be taken seriously either: :

'Bertolucci has two brothers: the film producer Giovanni (b. 24 June 1940) and the theatre director and playwright Giuseppe (b. 27 February 1947).' is not t be taken seriously, at least without explanation, Bernardo's own birth date is given as March 16, 1940. Elsewhere he is listed as a cousin, which i have decided to follow.Actio (talk) 02:24, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The section on the adaptation of Red Harvest indicates that Red Harvest was a basis for Sergio Leone's For A Few Dollars More; however, the Wikipedia entry for Red Harvest indicates that Red Harvest was a basis for Sergio Leone's A Fistful Of Dollars. I believe that the latter is correct. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.255.108.214 (talk) 20:52, 16 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The Conformist[edit]

Page is missing info on what is widely regarded as his greatest film...Coolazice (talk) 05:23, 27 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

General messiness[edit]

The sub-heading "Spirituality" etc., seems really to be about sexuality, so perhaps that should be changed. As well, if spirituality is to be discussed, then maybe it should kick off with a discussion of Little Buddha? As well, the section on Red Harvest has no sources to back it up, and no dates are mentioned within the text itself; as it stands, it's no more than free-floating rumour. Note also that the plot of Red Harvest is already pretty socialist, so it doesn't seem likely that a script draft by Bertolucci could have been rejected as too political, given that the way Chandler sets the tale up is political from the get-go. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.161.86.159 (talk) 01:37, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Last tango section[edit]

I cut out a lot of the section on Last Tango in Paris. It was full of opinions and armchair theorizing that would be more appropriate in a treatise on feminism and sexual violence in film, and shouldn't have been included here as assertions of fact. As such it was full of weasel words like "Many claimed...." or "Some thought..." I left in stuff that could, theoretically, be verified as facts, with links and such. If someone wants to put all the theory and opinion back in, the appropriate way to do it would be to find an essay or book and quote that writer's opinions, rather than offering your own views on the subject. 76.115.241.169 (talk) 17:30, 24 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"The Controversy surrounding Last Tango" is misleading insofar as it suggests that critics in 1972 were concerned about the film's exploitation and representation of women. This is patently untrue. The film was banned because it was obscene both in language and in content ("catering to the lower instincts of the libido... permeated by scurrilous language"). See "Censorship: A World Encyclopedia," ed. Derek Jones. In fact, the film became a cause celebre for anti-censorship groups throughout the 1970s. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.173.223.77 (talk) 16:16, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Maria Schneider had her concerns about the butter scene, creating further controversy later, to which the director responded.[1]Artaxerxes 15:49, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

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Year of birth[edit]

The article gives both 1941 and 1940 as birth years; one in the lede; the other in the infobox and birth category. The German, French, and Italian Wikipedia articles also don't agree as to his birth year. LC gives 1941 in a 670 citation; the VIAF link gives either 1940 or 1941 depending on which source is cited. Is there a definitive source which solves the question?--FeanorStar7 11:21, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

Interesting that this has not been solved yet. Britannica is often definitive, but it gives 16 March 1940. The Telegraph, Biography.com, Encyclopedia.com, Sputnik News also. Other sources and the *long standing version* have 16 March 1941 though. Wakari07 (talk) 23:38, 29 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Italian wiki it:Bernardo Bertolucci also gives that date, but apparently with no source at all. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:40, 29 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The Italian state should know for sure, let's call the mayor of Parma ;-) Wakari07 (talk) 23:42, 29 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Controversy surrounding Last Tango in Paris[edit]

Bertolucci caused controversy in 1972 with the film Last Tango in Paris, starring Marlon Brando, Maria Schneider, Jean-Pierre Léaud and Massimo Girotti. In one scene, character Paul (Brando) anally rapes character Jeane (Schneider). That and other depictions of Schneider, then 19 years old, were regarded as exploitative and caused concern because of their representation of women. The rape scene was not in the script; Bertolucci and Brando had discussed it, but Schneider was kept unaware until shortly before filming.[2][3][4] She said in 2007:

During the scene, even though what Marlon was doing wasn't real, I was crying real tears. I felt humiliated and, to be honest, I felt a little raped, both by Marlon and Bertoucci."[2]

As a direct result, Schneider became a women's rights advocate, in particular fighting for more female film directors, more respect for female actors, and better representation of women in film and media.[5] In 2013 Bertolucci talked about his treatment of Schneider, and in 2016 he admitted that the scene in the film had been non-consensual.[6]

She was a 19-year old who, like the actors in Me and You, had never acted before. Maybe, sometimes in the movie, I didn't tell her what was going on because I knew her acting would be better. So, when we shot this scene with Marlon using butter on her, I decided not to tell her. I wanted a reaction of frustration and rage.[4]

In his 1994 autobiography, Brando wrote he felt humiliated filming the movie too (albeit for totally different reasons): he told it was particularly cold during the filming of a full-frontal nude scene, and his “body went into full retreat” (referring to the size of his penis). Brando described it as “one of the more embarrassing experiences of my professional career.”[7]; for this reason he did not speak to Bertolucci for many years as a result of the trauma of being involved with the film.[8] Last Tango in Paris presents Brando's character Paul as he uses an anonymous affair to cope with the violent death of his wife by emotionally and physically dominating a young woman. The film caused criminal proceedings to be brought against Bertolucci in Italy for the anal sex scene, and the film was sequestered by the censorship commission and all copies were ordered to be destroyed. An Italian court revoked Bertolucci's civil rights for five years and gave him a four-month suspended prison sentence.[9] In 1978, the Appeals Court of Bologna ordered three copies of the film to be preserved in the national film library with the stipulation that they could not be viewed, until Bertolucci was later able to re-submit it for general distribution with no cuts.[10][11][12][13]

The original copy, and the copies that had been preserved abroad, were used to make the DVD.[citation needed]

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References[edit]

  1. ^ https://variety.com/2016/film/global/bernardo-bertolucci-responds-to-last-tango-in-paris-backlash-1201933605/
  2. ^ a b Summers, Hannah (4 December 2016). "Actors voice disgust over Last Tango in Paris rape scene confession", The Guardian.
  3. ^ Butler, Tom. "Senior UK Writer". Yahoo! Movies. Retrieved 30 November 2016.
  4. ^ a b Geoffrey Macnab (February 1, 2013). "Bernardo Bertolucci:'I thought I couldn't make any more movies'". The Guardian. Retrieved February 16, 2013.
  5. ^ McLellan, Dennis. "Maria Schneider dies at 58; actress in 'Last Tango in Paris'". Los Angeles Times. Retrieved March 24, 2015.
  6. ^ http://people.com/movies/last-tango-paris-butter-rape-scene-not-consensual/
  7. ^ Izadi, Elahe. "Why the 'Last Tango in Paris' rape scene is generating such an outcry now". Washington Post. Retrieved December 5, 2016.
  8. ^ Florey, Virginia. "Last Tango in Paris". Midland Daily News. Retrieved March 24, 2015.
  9. ^ Rannakino (2012). "Bernardo Bertolucci". Rannakino. Rannakino. Retrieved August 26, 2012.[permanent dead link]
  10. ^ Rashkin, Esther (2008). Unspeakable Secrets and the Psychoanalysis of Culture. Albany: SUNY Press. p. 224. ISBN 0791475344. Retrieved March 24, 2015.
  11. ^ https://www.theguardian.com/film/2016/dec/04/last-tango-in-paris-director-says-maria-schneider-butter-scene-not-consensual
  12. ^ http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/hollywood-reacts-disgust-outrage-last-tango-paris-directors-resurfaced-rape-scene-confession-95
  13. ^ http://variety.com/2016/film/news/last-tango-in-paris-rape-scene-consensual-bernardo-bertolucci-1201933117/

Interest in paedophilia[edit]

Bertolucci's films show an obsession with paedophilia, especially "1900" and "The Last Emperor". This should be mentioned in his article. (109.156.191.254 (talk) 12:20, 26 November 2018 (UTC))[reply]

Can you source this slander? Wakari07 (talk) 20:32, 29 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 26 November 2018[edit]

The "Death" section states he died of lung cancer. The given references do not back this up. Remove lung cancer as cause of death or add a source. 92.0.133.178 (talk) 18:51, 26 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

 Question: The two English references state he died of cancer. Is your objection that it does not specify lung cancer? RudolfRed (talk) 20:44, 26 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. 92.0.133.178 (talk) 21:50, 26 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
 Done ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 22:00, 26 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The cause of death was lung cancer: http://www.italianinsider.it/?q=node/7462 (86.135.242.101 (talk) 12:30, 27 November 2018 (UTC))[reply]
 Done Googled for these sources also: [1] [2] I went with the Financial Times :) Thank you for pointing it out. Wakari07 (talk) 23:27, 29 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Spelling[edit]

Filmography section, the correct italian title is "L'addio a Enrico Berlinguer". There's an extra "n" in the wiki page. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0173616/?ref_=ttfc_fc_tt — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.224.113.165 (talk) 23:09, November 26, 2018 (UTC)

I'm not seeing this mistake on the article. Both the page linked and this article seem to be using the same spelling of the film. Sakura CarteletTalk 05:06, 27 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Thank you, fixed. Wakari07 (talk) 22:37, 29 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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