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Biography

I think more biographical stuffs can be added, if anyone has some source material. (Manoguru (talk) 18:28, 25 November 2011 (UTC))

Achievements

I have removed a section from the article that is badly written and lacking in any citations. However, I have copied it here, in case anyone feels it should be reverted or improved on.

Dharahara, the Bhimshen Stambha

Thapa served for 31 years under three kings. Support from Queen Tripurasundari as well as the long minority of the successive kings allowed him to stay in power for a long time. He appealed all South Asian states to fight collectively against the British and declared war on the English East India Company in 1816 as the commander of the army and as the Prime Minister. However due to the ill preparation, long standing internal unification campaign, lack of foreign assistance, as well as previous military confrontation with China, Nepal lost the war which precipitated his downfall. However it was his skill as a diplomat that saved Nepal from complete annexation by the British. Despite the defeat in Anglo-Nepalese war, he continued to rule for another 13 years whence he brought about several military, judicial, social and economic reforms in Nepal. As a testimony to his brilliance as a diplomat, he was able to out fox the Governor-General of East India Company in general, and the British Resident in Kathmandu in particular, and reclaim the Terai lands that Nepal had lost during the Anglo-Nepalese war without shedding a single drop of blood. The Nepalese army was modernized in European style. He arranged facilities for guns and other explosives for the army. He also gave the army of Nepal more salary and training. His view was that the stronger the army of a country, the stronger will be the country. Several ill social practices were abolished, unused land were brought under cultivation and the administration was updated. The Dharahara and Sundhara of Kathmandu, the Baghdurbar and Teku bridge were all commissioned by him.

King Rana Bahadur Shah said of him "If I die the nation will not die, but if Bhimsen Thapa dies the nation will collapse". Maharaja Ranjit Singh of Punjab said of him "If I had Bhimsen on my service, I know what many things I would have achieved". Karl Marx praised Bhimsen Thapa by referring him as the only man in Asia who braved to protest submission to the colonists.

Reforms

General Bhimsen Thapa brought various reforms in the country with the consent of Queen Lalit Tripura Sundari:

a) He fixed the market rate of food grains and other commodities, he made the measurement of mana, pathi etc. He established many selling depos for the sale of timber.
b) He tried to develop trade and industry, so he passed different kinds of law for the development of trade and industry. He tried to develop new towns in different parts of the country.
c) He developed the postal services.
d) He made public parks, garden, roads, bridges and golden and silver doors in the temple of Pashupatinath. He built the temple of Satyaswor Mahadev in Ridi.
e) In the Judiciary, he set up law courts in different parts of the country. He did a land survey and divided the kingdom into several districts and appointed new officers for the administration.
f) He had controlled the system of selling children in Magar tribe. He tried to abolish slavery as well.
g) Bhimsen Thapa built two Dharaharas and the Sundhara. (Note : One of the Dharahara was destroyed in the earthquake of 1890.)
h) He built a canal in Kirtipur, Raniban from the pond present there, and created facilities for irrigation.
i) Bhimsen Thapa re-organized the Nepalese Army on modern line. He established cantonments, army barracks and gave military training to the troops. He introduced new uniform which were designed for the army.
j) In Nepal, there were certain systems which allowed one to marry one's sister-in law and among the Limbus, one to marry one's mother-in-law. Bhimsen Thapa passed laws forbidding such systems.
k) He stopped the system to take more interest from the debtors. He was successful to circulate the Nepalese coin in Tibet.
l) Bhimsen Thapa made attempts to eradicate slavery. He forbid the system of selling children that was prominent in the Magar family.

Spelling of "Muktiyar"

Don't you think spelling the word Mukhtiyar, with an "h" in the middle is more appropriate, since the word is written in Nepali as "मुख्तियार"? (मुख्य = Chief, अख्तियार = Authority) With the present spelling it sounds more like "मुक्तियार".Uttamjkl (talk) 14:37, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion. (Manoguru (talk) 05:00, 23 November 2014 (UTC))

Issues of Bhimsen Thapa

I have recently come across a source that contains some information regarding Bhimsen Thapa's daughters. Should I mention it in the article? Uttamjkl (talk) 20:34, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

Please do. No need to ask, so long as it matches the article. If you are unsure, then just put it in talk page for discussion. Actually I was thinking of including something like the ancestry tree of Bhimsen Thapa like in Queen Victoria#Ancestry. If you have time, please consider in helping me make that. BTW, do you have any information on Tripurasundari's parents? Baburam Acharya have guessed that her father is Nain Singh Thapa; but this is only an educated guess. Manoguru (talk) 15:06, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

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Reviewer: Royroydeb (talk · contribs) 17:08, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

*Why Mukhtiyar starts with capital? And if it is in Hindi, it should be in italics. - Because it is a title, just like Prime Minister. Used before a person's name, it should be capitalized. Not sure if the word exists in Hindi, but it sure is Nepali. I don't think italicizing the word is a good idea, since the word appears in the context of a non-English person. It would be very jarring to read, pretty much like italicizing the word Sheikh or Emir or Rajah in a biography of a Sheikh or Emir or Rajah.

- P.S. I see now, you mean at the very first sentence of the article. Changed!
- P.P.S. I have also italicized the occurrences of other Nepali titles.
  • When note is used then why mention in brackets?

- I did not understand this question.

  • According to the MOS, surname is used to refer to the person, not first name.

- I understand that. But in this article, there are so many people with Thapa, Pande, and Shah surnames, that it would be confusing to know who is who. Thus, I chose to address the people with their first names to avoid ambiguity. Also, this is the standard practice in Nepalese history writing.

  • followed Rana Bahadur Shah - followed should be accompanied otherwise it appears he was spying on the king.

- Done.

  • kaji should be in italics

- Ok.

  • in 1806 led Bhimsen to massacre ninety-three people, - make this matter clear.

- It is made clear in the Bhandarkhal Massacre of 1806 section.

  • who is Damodar Pande?

- He figures prominently in the section titled "Rise to Power", I wonder why you have asked me this question.

RRD13 দেবজ্যোতি (talk) 04:42, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Manoguru (talk) 08:03, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

"unfilled for decades" - such vague things are discouraged by the MOS. just unfilled is OK
- Done.
  • "his uncle, Bahadur Shah, had no official part to play." - "to remove his uncle Bahadur Shah from power" looks good
- Your suggestion sounds vagues. since a person can still be in the government, but in a diminished position. But I have reworded the sentence.
  • (on 19 February 1797) and his subsequent murder (on 23 June 1797) - the brackets are unnecessary
- Done.
  • "... especially among Brahmins." unsourced
- Fixed it.
  • "That same year in 1797, Girvan Yuddha Bikram Shah was born and was immediately declared the crown prince." - consider "In that same year 1797, his son Girvan Yuddha Bikram Shah..." and what do you mean by immediately?
- meaning hastily. I have changed the word.
  • "aged just 23" - I don't think just is necessary.
- I disagree. Very few monarchs give up their throne at age 23 out of their self will, unless they are forced to. The word helps to emphasize the youth and naiveness of the king.
  • "started to live in Deopatan" - "started living"
- Done.
  • "and cruelly punishing " - remove cruelly
- The ancient forms of punishments were always cruel compared to modern standards. But even by the standards of those times, the punishments given to those attendant physicians were quite extreme. If I were to remove the word "cruelly", I would have attached a note explaining exactly how they were tortured. But since I am not in my country right now, I don't have access to my references any more; thus I support keeping that word. But anyone interested can find the relevant passages it in the reference cited.
  • "concede a trading post in Kathmandu and grant them certain percentage of the tax revenue." - as the word certian is given which is not specific, I would prefer you to quote what exactly given in the source.

- Fixed.

  • "An elaborate intrigue" - elaborate is peacock term

- Fixed.

- Fixed it. I have added the following: "Baburam Acharya holds Bhimsen responsible for all these activities, reasoning that Rana Bahadur did not have the mental capacity for negotiations and intrigues. He contends that Bhimsen was responsible for negotiation with the British as well as responsible for writing letters in the name of the ex-King, while the ex-King was bidding his time in debauchery.[1]"

Hi Roy, I haven't been active on wikipedia for quite sometime since I was busy with real life. I just saw your comments. I will try to address your issues this weekend. Have a good day!! Manoguru (talk) 00:44, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ Acharya 2012, pp. 38–42.

Query

It looks like Manoguru made a number of edits during July; have the issues all been addressed now? Royroydeb, can you please continue the review? This is now the oldest outstanding review, and will be three months old in four days. Thanks to you both. BlueMoonset (talk) 18:08, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Article review

I took a quick glance at this article and think, with a little work, especially in the reference formatting, this article could see a promotion to FA status.

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