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Etymology

  • The word Vihār is itself derived from the word Brahmavihāra, meaning "Brahma abidings", or "sublime attitudes."

In fact "Brahmavihara" is composed of "Brahma" and "vihara", and it is incorrect to say that "Vihar" is derived from "Brahmavihara". -Knverma (talk) 11:57, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Social groups of Bihar

According to BBC , A total of 16.5% of Bihar's people are Muslims and another 12.7% belong to the Yadav caste,Scheduled castes that comprise 14% of the people. Other castes include the Kayasth]]as (12%), Kurmis and Koeris (7.7%) and Brahmins (4.7%).

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4276379.stm — Preceding unsigned comment added by Raosaab7 (talk • contribs) 07:58, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Copyright violations at cuisine sections of Bihar-related articles

I just deleted a large block of content from Bihari people in this edit. Although some could be reverse copyvio from multiple sources, I doubt it. The style and formatting looks like copyvio. An editor at IRC checked some of the sources at blogspot for me (a site that is blocked at my location) and said that the date showed it to be copyvio.

Practically the same content verbatim is here:

Please consider whether or not to delete some or all of it.

Thanks, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 12:09, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Lede

I have removed this from the intro as the intro is supposed to summarize details found in the body of the article. Also, the rah-rah tone of the deleted text sounded as if it came from Bihar's Chamber of Commerce. --NeilN talk to me 11:24, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

I agree with the edit. Now the introduction is more balanced. Manoj nav (talk) 10:54, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

Socio-Economic Elements

This title in the article is not required according to me. Please comment. Manoj nav (talk) 09:56, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

The title "Socio- etc" is so vague as to be almost meaningless, I can't comment on your move, but - in general - think the article suffers from a lack of clear, simple grammatically standard English. My only involvement with this (and some connected pages), was a wish to help clarify the language used.Pincrete (talk) 13:29, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
I will try to edit the article. Manoj nav (talk) 10:56, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

Languages

Hi,

1) In Bihar many languages are spoken, of which Bhojpuri is the most common. - > This is a original research and not supported by reference.

2) Hindi—the co-official national language, with English—and Urdu are constitutionally recognized languages of the state. - > Your reference http://www.diehardindian.com/demogrph/moredemo/histlang.htm doesn't exists.

3) Urdu—which is the mother tongue of Muslims, who form about 17% of the state's population—is very much secondary to Hindi in official use, although nearly 25% people in Bihar read and write Urdu. - > This is also original research not supported by reference. Urdu is not the mother tongue of Bihari muslims.

Kindly discuss so that we can present correct information.

Manoj nav (talk) 07:58, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

@Manoj nav:
1) In the "Main articles" under "Language and literature" you'll see that Bihari languages lists Bhojpuri as having the most speakers, at ~38 million, about 50% more than the next most widespread, Maithili. Now, that doesn't say that Bhojpuri is the most common Bihari language in Bihar itself, but the statement that it is is at least a reasonable extrapolation, assuming that B. Languages is well sourced. It is not fairly termed "original research".
2) The URL has been changed. It's now here. Also, it's not *my* reference exactly; it was put there by someone else. That fact is also in the infobox at the article on India. If it's untrue, the India article needs to be changed as well, if not first.
3) Urdu I can't speak to at the moment, and I question some of the verbiage, which can be adjusted. Do you have a source refuting what is said there? It's been a fairly longstanding statement (it was here in similar form when I copy-edited this section some months ago), and has to be credited with at least passing muster with the tens of thousands of people who read this page a month (not all of whom read this section closely or are linguists, of course), however apparently unsourced at the moment. Dhtwiki (talk) 21:38, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
1) From you reference I will conclude that Bhojpuri, Maithili, Magahi and Bajjika are the major languages of Bihar and not just Bhojpuri.
2) The URL you have provided is still not reachable. My stand is that India doesn't have a national language. Hindi and Udru are the only official languages of the state. Also since Bihar doesn't have a separate constitution, saying - 'English—and Urdu are constitutionally recognized languages of the state', has no meaning.
3)If you don't have a reference which says Udru is mother of Muslims in Bihar, then it should be removed. Urdu and Hindi are derivatives of Hindustani, which originated in the court of Mughals located about 1200 km away from Bihar, some 400-500 year back and Urdu was 1st introduced by British in Bihar some 140-150 years back. It is not the mother tongue of Bihari muslims.
Manoj nav (talk) 08:26, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
@Manoj nav: 1) Yes, the others are major languages, too. That doesn't negate that Bhojpuri is the most widely spoken in Bihar, although that predominance is no longer stated as it once was. 2) What supports your stand? The article on India declares that Hindi and English are "official languages", with elaboration in the hidden section. I think we could consider dispensing with the part about English, which is meant to be parenthetical to the main part of the sentence, if that is confusing. 3) I think "mother tongue" is a rather indefinite way of putting it, and it could be changed. However, I'd like to see a "citation needed" put there, to give people a chance to find support for the statement, rather than the more drastic step of removal. That section doesn't seem particularly outlandish or contentious (I suspect that what is meant is that Muslim children study Urdu). Dhtwiki (talk) 23:44, 3 April 2015 (UTC)


1) I have added - > Hindi and Udru are the official languages of the State. Other languages of the state are Maithili, Bhojpuri, Magahi, Bajjika and Angika with 21 million, 38 million, 20 million, 8.7 million and 0.7 million speakers respectively, of which only Maithili is recognized by the government of India. ref-> 1. http://unicef.in/State/Bihar 2. http://hillpost.in/2012/09/bhojpuri-is-not-the-only-language-in-bihar/50489/ . I have given proper reference.
2. Hindi is only one of the official language of the central government of India and few other states and not the national language. ref - > http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/hindi-not-a-national-language-court/article94695.ece . English is not the official language of Bihar -> http://unicef.in/State/Bihar . Hindi and English are the two official language of the Indian central government and Hindi and Urdu are the two official languages of the state of Bihar. I am removing the earlier statement.
3. 'Citation needed' added. Lets agree that if there is no reference in a month time then we remove this line. Manoj nav (talk) 07:09, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
@Manoj nav: I have recently done some fussing about, especially as to references. What I think is still left undone is finding online support for the number of speakers for each language. The Cardona book is given as support for the numbers at Bihari Languages. However, the numbers are not in the lengthy quote from the book and I have not found an online version to search, nor a library copy. I thought that the Census of India website might allow me to find updated figures and to reference online support for them, but I have not discovered the magic that would let me see their figures, if they've been posted. Additionally, I think your deadline of one month for the section on Urdu is too drastic. Those templates are apt to be left for years, and they do the work of preventing anyone from taking the challenged assertion too seriously. And what do we leave in its place? There must be a rationale for why Urdu is a co-official language. Dhtwiki (talk) 23:40, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

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Links 2-4 aren't helpful, and I've re-marked them as dead links at the article. Dhtwiki (talk) 16:14, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
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I have corrected my previous reply, in accordance with the way links are listed above. The second link does encounter a 302 error before being routed to a useful page. Dhtwiki (talk) 19:18, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

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Archival link is useful, although there would be a tendency to click on the dead link, which is still clickable and seems live, possibly accounting for the duplicate archival link placed, as well as such a recent dead-link template. Dhtwiki (talk) 22:29, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

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Link works (for three uncombined but hidden references in broken table!). Dhtwiki (talk) 12:26, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

Paag of Mithilalok

Perhaps someone should explain what is this "Paag of Mithilalok" in the image, it does not look obvious to outsiders. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.2.91.0 (talk) 11:53, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

That image was placed here by User:Anakshiant, placing his own work, which doesn't relate to the history section where the ancient Mithila region isn't mentioned ("paag" being a distinctive cap of that region, and "Mithilalok" evidently a foundation promoting its wearing as an expression of regional pride). Unless there's support for the image remaining, that edit should be reverted as misplaced and possibly promotional. Dhtwiki (talk) 17:41, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

Semi protection edit request

Consistent vandalism. More than 40% of the edits of the page are made by IP users and a huge part of it is vandalism. A good look through the edit history of the page will tell how much IP users have tried to ruin this article. Hence, I request to change the type of protection on the page from 'No Protection' to 'Semi-Protection'. Pratyush 19:58, 26 August 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by PratyushSinha101 (talk • contribs)

 Not done as requests for page protection must be made at WP:RPP but as only 4 of the last 50 edits were by IPs, I doubt such a request would currently succeed. - Arjayay (talk) 20:06, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

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Link doesn't seem useful. Dhtwiki (talk) 23:30, 10 November 2016 (UTC)

November 2016

@Hydloc009:, it is not necessary to remove image from this article just because some other article doesn't have image. Can you point out which section or subpage of WP:MOS says not to include image in infobox of state/province article. Pratyush (talk) 07:14, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

Use of image_skyline infobox parameter

I've, again, reverted the removal of the image of Buddha linked to from |image_skyline=, which has more than once been deleted by editors giving as a reason that the parameter is reserved for city or town articles. No written guideline to support that contention has been cited. {{Infobox state}} is an alias of {{Infobox settlement}} where the parameter description says: Despite the name it can be any image that an editor wishes. Dhtwiki (talk) 05:23, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 11 October 2017

There is an IIM (Indian Institute of Management) Bodh Gaya in Bihar which is a premium business school in India and in Bihar. Please add it. Or give permission to me for adding Cpriyan (talk) 20:19, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

 Done. I've mentioned it at the end of the Education section. Dhtwiki (talk) 00:01, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 22 January 2018

dge.tn.nic.in</a> 119.235.50.205 (talk) 11:42, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

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Bihar to be considered as North East India

I have been seeing this article for a very long time. Earlier it read, that Bihar is a part of North India. Later it became a part of East India. Then for a brief time it was considered part of North East India along with seven-sister states and west bengal. In a recent version, It read Bihar is considered as a part of Eastern India as well as Northern India. That makes no utter so I tried editing it to revert back to the most logical sense I thought it could be, which I think is North East India. Kindly tell us your views. In my opinion it can't be North India and East India at the same time. It should be either East India or North East India to be precise. Ianuranjan (talk) 20:27, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

See Administrative divisions of India, where Bihar is in the "Eastern" division or region, which is where the article is now, IIRC. In other words, this is not purely according to relative geographical placement but to official classification. Dhtwiki (talk) 22:07, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

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My state

This state belong to very essential for agriculture, Apiculture, fisheries, and very old era like Syedbadarhayat (talk) 06:08, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

Is there something about the article that you want to see changed? What you've written doesn't tell us much, except that you like Bihar. Dhtwiki (talk) 22:24, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 September 2019

Hi, The word "Vihar" does NOT mean "Abode". Vihar means "To Roam", any Hindi speaking person will testify this meaning. The word "Vihar" is rooted in the Buddhist philosophy.

To elaborate a bit more on this - Buddhism teaches detachment from the world which can be achieved by shunning desires. However, the Buddhists monks still have to live in this world and work for the betterment of humanity. So, how is it possible to be detached and yet live in a society?

There comes the concept of 'Vihar' which implies monks to roam and spread the message of Buddha. This should not be interpreted as spreading Buddhism because Buddha never wanted people to blindly follow him. He created meditative methods and practices which if followed, a person can attain a very meditative state and can get enlightened about the nature of existence, life and one's own body. Knowing the ultimate truth would lead to "Mokhsha" (salvation).

Though constant roaming, the attachment to the world is lost, so the word 'Vihar'. This is derived from the Hindu Principle of 'Sanyaas', which means to be detached from the world. Like the breeze which flows and provides relief, like the water which flows and nourishes all living beings ... enlightened humans too can roam and carry the philosophies and meditative methods to implement them, thus making society calmer, better. 50.238.241.186 (talk) 14:33, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 12 November 2019

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bihar wikipedia

Incredible , bengalees have been completely erased from the history of bihar.They founded so many schools , rammohan roy seminary in patna , mokhada school in bhagalpur probably the first girls only school in bihar. The hunterian professor in orthopaedics Dr Mukherjee from patna , sarat chatterjee wrote his novels in bhagalpur , so did banphool (Dr Balai Mukherjee) and the world famous film pather panchali was authored in bhagalpur baribasa .Khudiram Bose the only 18yr old indian died for independence , was hanged in muzzafarpur jail. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7F:E051:CB00:79BC:11AD:FC2B:8D0 (talk) 19:57, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

If these institutions and people are notable, and have articles in Wikipedia, you can add them. If these people you mention stayed in any part of modern Bihar for substantial amount of time, you can add them. Sarat Chandra Chatterjee and Balai Mukherjee are mentioned in Bhagalpur article though. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 11:18, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Semi protected edit request 6 May 2020

There is a typo under the economy > agriculture section.

The phrase Southern parts of the state dace annual droughts, affecting crops such as paddy should be FACE annual droughts, not dace.

50.39.101.74 (talk) 06:17, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for pointing that out. I've made some corrections. Dhtwiki (talk) 21:44, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 September 2020

Request 1

Please change "equalization" to "equalisation". I'm pretty sure India doesn't normally match en-gb-oxendict or en-us, and the article is Freight equalisation policy too. 2601:5C6:8081:35C0:48DC:A431:95BC:9788 (talk) 11:51, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Request 2

In the religion section there's one appearance of "modern-day Bihar" and one appearance of "modern day district of Gaya in Bihar". Either one is okay, but both forms shouldn't be used, so please make them both "modern-day" or both "modern day". 2601:5C6:8081:35C0:48DC:A431:95BC:9788 (talk) 12:06, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

 Done - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 13:09, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Unverified political comment in the middle of the page

Nitish Kumar has been chief minister of Bihar for 13 years between 2005 and 2020. In contrast to prior governments, which emphasised divisions of caste and religion, his political platform was based on economic development, reduction of crime and corruption, and greater social equality.

The above statement is present on the page, with no sources whatever. This is an unverified political statement which in effect endorses(or at least, portrays in an extremely favorable light) the incumbent political power in the state of Bihar, and in accordance with Wikipedia rules, I would request that the above statement be removed.


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Improving

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  • improving grammar and sentence structure
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  • resturcting as per india and usa page standard.

Devesh S N Bhatta (talk)

I see you making a lot of changes but with minimal explanation in edit summaries. I see flaws in your spacing but am not eager to spend a lot of time just now evaluating your more substantive changes to the material. If AnomieBOT has to rescue orphaned references after your edits, that's another sign that you're not being as careful as you should be. Dhtwiki (talk) 21:08, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for pointing to these point. I have improved tourism, demography and education section. lets improve article Cheers.
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Semi-protected edit request on 24 June 2021

Koteshwar Dham temple, Main gao, Gaya Amareshsamir (talk) 08:43, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

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Koteswar Dham

I want to add Koteshwar dham under religious category Amareshsamir (talk) 08:37, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Well there is no such section in the article, and I don't see enough notability to add it anywhere else either. extra999 (talk) 10:52, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 23 September 2021

"Change name Ravesh kumar singh registration number 25829 to Indradeo kumar registration number 25829" 106.208.154.42 (talk) 03:19, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 24 December 2021

MeraAwaaz (talk) 13:20, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

In main Groups can you please include Angikans also. We are also a part of Bihar. Your Lovingly Utkarsh From Bhagalpur

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:24, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 January 2022

There is a grammatical error in the culture section: “Many tourist visit Bihar.” As tourist is plural in this case, I would like to be able to add an “s” to it (change tourist to tourists) to better improve the English grammar of the text. Emperor0000 (talk) 02:24, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

 Done I've made the change you suggested. Thank you for spotting the error and bringing it to our attention. Dhtwiki (talk) 02:41, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
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