Talk:Bini (group)

Contested deletion

This page should not be speedily deleted because... The page was not created by Philippinesfan. It was created by me. Waykurat nominates it for deletion because it was created by sock puppet account which is Philippinesfan. Please fix this issue. --ArriehM (talk) 11:57, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

You should investigate it first before you nominates it Username:WayKurat. ArriehM (talk) 12:08, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Yes, Waykurat’s claim is evidently unsubstantiated. ArriehM is the page creator. Please fix this. SenyorOtter (talk) 12:09, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Contested deletion

This page should not be speedily deleted because... (the page was created by user ArriehM, not by blocked user/sock-puppet Philippinesfan. Also, the page was edited/improved substantially by ArriehM and yours truly since its creation, with reliable citations added. Since then the mentioned sock-puppet has not added significant contributions to this page that may compromise its legitimacy. Please reconsider this.) --SenyorOtter (talk) 12:07, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Spotify list

@AstrooKai. need to clarify. Didn't they previously top the list on April 18, making the first Filipino distinction proper on that date and not June? Borgenland (talk) 08:13, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello, @Borgenland. Yes, they previously topped a list on April 18, but that was for Spotify's Daily Top Songs Philippines chart. The recent event of them topping in a Spotify chart was for the Daily Top Artists Philippines chart, where they surpassed Taylor Swift on June 14. AstrooKai. (talk) 08:20, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Point taken. Thanks for the clarification. Borgenland (talk) 08:27, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Happy to help. AstrooKai. (talk) 09:13, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Requested move 17 June 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. Favonian (talk) 17:24, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

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Bini (group) → BINI (group) – Borgenland (talk) 15:46, 17 June 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Polyamorph (talk) 17:32, 24 June 2024 (UTC) Every RS is referring to them in uppercase. Borgenland (talk) 15:46, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

• Strongly oppose per MOS:TRADEMARK. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 • [𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺] 16:09, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose as per 98Tigerius; Spam (food) is not at SPAM. Howard the Duck (talk) 16:35, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose as per Wikipedia's policy on trademarks, as cited by 98Tigerius. While the group uses all caps in their branding, Wikipedia's conventions generally favor sentence cases for article titles on conditions like this. Similar cases exist where the trademark of a group is stylized in all caps, but not here on Wikipedia. Consider Blackpink, Got7, and Seventeen as examples. Normally, these are stylized as BLACKPINK, GOT7, and SEVENTEEN, respectively, but not here. AstrooKai (talk) 17:44, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

I'd like to clarify then, does trademark take precedence over usage in RS and secondary sources (at least in this case)? Borgenland (talk) 02:10, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

I'm unfortunately not sure about that one. The general rules of MOS:TRADEMARK says that standard English text formatting and capitalization must be followed, regardless of the formatting commonly used by trademark owners. Although, there are some exceptions where the trademark is stylized the same way as from reliable sources.

Exceptions may apply, but Wikipedia relies on sources to determine when an unusual name format has become conventional for a particular trademark; only names that are consistently styled a particular way by a substantial majority of independent, reliable sources are styled that way in Wikipedia.

— MOS:TRADEMARK

Perhaps, this exception clause can be placed into consideration. AstrooKai (talk) 07:04, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

For reference, I did run through every major newspaper and the big 3 television networks in the country, plus Rappler, after which I felt a move could be justified. Borgenland (talk) 08:22, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

That may be a good point. However, in the examples I mentioned, they are also often referred to with their group name in all caps in many sources, yet they are not stylized in that manner here on Wikipedia. AstrooKai (talk) 18:07, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

MOS:TRADEMARK itself makes it clear that [W]hen deciding how to format a trademark, editors should examine styles already in use by independent reliable sources. "BINI" being common usage in reliable sources (excluding ABS-CBN, as they are not independent from the subject) means it should be the article title in use here per policy. We follow what sources say — if they also don't capitalize, we're in the right; if they don't, we're in the wrong. Taking a cursory look at how reliable sources call the band, the capitalized version is in most common use; we should move the page as a matter of policy. Chlod (say hi!) 10:32, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

As several have pointed out above, "most common" is not the criterion for style choices, and never has been. Dicklyon (talk) 19:16, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Relisting to allow more time for consensus to develop Polyamorph (talk) 17:32, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose. Per MOS:ALLCAPS, "Avoid writing with all caps (...) when they have only a stylistic function." That's all this is, a stylism. 162 etc. (talk) 18:08, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:TITLETM / MOS:ALLCAPS. The recent mood on Wikipedia is to strongly avoid all-caps. Per Dicklyon, this is the case even when all-caps seems the most common form. This title is not an initialism or even a backronym. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 19:28, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per above. HueMan1 (talk) 01:04, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Other ventures expansion

Hi, I'm AstrooKai. I have expanded the "Endorsements" subsection to provide more details about each of Bini's endorsements, see this for the differences between the previous and the expanded version. Here's a summary table of the expansion:

Expanded	Excluded
Maybelline	Coca-Cola
Modess	Keds
Super Crunch	Globe Telecom
Samsung	Pond's
Puregold	Bioderm
Shopee
Jollibee

Five were excluded, as there was not enough available information available from reliable sources. The Coca-Cola event was excluded as it doesn't fall under "endorsement," rather it falls under the category of collaboration. As a result, a new subsection called "Collaborations" was introduced to accommodate these events. Should the notability of these collaborations be not enough for their inclusivity in the article, its removal can be discussed here.

The expansion may contain some errors, so feel free to fix them. If there are any concerns regarding the expansion, feel free to drop them here. Thank you. AstrooKai (talk) 14:11, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

Chronological fix

Inviting editors engaged in this subject to find ways on how to make the history section less of a WP:NEWSPAPER, especially since the formula tends to be repetitive announcements of an upcoming event followed by the actual event, which is kind of confusing especially if an unrelated event happens in between like the announcement of the Biniverse concert date in April followed by their packed schedule before the actual concert. Borgenland (talk) 16:04, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Does this apply to the entire history timeline? Or specific timespans only? AstrooKai (talk) 05:34, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

So far it sticks out in 2024 and in the debut. Tho I made some reductions in debut a few weeks before. Borgenland (talk) 07:28, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Okay, I'll see what I can do. AstrooKai │ Talk 07:36, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

I have revised the 2023–present subsection for readability and narrative flow. It is also an attempt to address this issue. If you notice any other copyedit issues that I have overlooked or unnoticed, feel free to fix them. AstrooKai │ Talk 12:37, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Currently making minor edits. I am now exploring the possibility of splitting the Biniverse concert into a separate chapter to segregate the in-betweens (Chinese TV, Independence Day and Bini Run). Borgenland (talk) 15:19, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Made the fix just now. My suggestion for now is that references referring to upcoming events be replaced or merged once these performances/events have taken place to avoid overcite. Borgenland (talk) 15:37, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Okay, but would it be more appropriate to place the 2024—Solo concerts as a sub-subsection of the 2023–present subsection? Logically, the newly added section still falls within the 2023–present timeframe. AstrooKai │ Talk 15:48, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Fair enough. Suggest removing the 2024 part to avoid confusion in editing. As for the title should it be formally called the Biniverse for the sake of precision? Borgenland (talk) 16:16, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Suggestion of moving concerts section

Since the recent change, the concerts section has grown considerably. Would it be worth moving it to a new article dedicated to the group's live performances? AstrooKai │ Talk 17:19, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

For perspective, both SB19 and BGYO have dedicated live performances articles. Borgenland (talk) 17:49, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Biniverse regional leg

Hello! It has come to my mind about the regional leg of the Biniverse: The First Solo Concert. Since the NFT concert is listed under the headlining concerts, would it be also appropriate to have the regional leg listed under it? Or possibly other subsection (e.g. concert tours)? AstrooKai │ Talk 14:21, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

It is indeed a headline event. An explanatory note can do. Borgenland (talk) 14:26, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Would it be more appropriate to list them as individual items in the table? Since it would be too lengthy to be an explanatory note since the events will be held on different place at different times. AstrooKai │ Talk 15:36, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

suggest putting them in the list then place a footnote next to the reference. Borgenland (talk) 15:41, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

And how would the concert tour will be called? AstrooKai │ Talk 15:43, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Suggest putting a (regional leg) at the end of the event title. Borgenland (talk) 15:45, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

And (international) for the overseas ones, all under Biniverse. Borgenland (talk) 15:48, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Something like this? "Biniverse: The First Solo Concert (Regional)" "Biniverse: The First Solo Concert (International)" AstrooKai │ Talk 15:52, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

+leg/tour). Borgenland (talk) 15:57, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

High quality photos of Bini for the group page and their individual pages

Hello everyone! I'm a casual contributor recently for Bini. I'm looking to enhance their page with high quality photos, such as those seen on the pages for BTS or Blackpink. As many of you know, we need photos that can be released under a free license compatible with wikimedia commons, such as the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike (CC BY-SA) license.

Hence, I'm planning to reach out to bini_ph on reddit to see if they are able to provide their own photos willingly and agree to the terms of usage for Wikipedia purposes. I have some photos of my own, but they are limited to just a day in the Biniverse and taken from the very furthest seats. I've seen posts their taken so closely, as well as from their other events. Let me know your thoughts. Orojackson56 (talk) 02:18, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello! Feel free to ask around the internet for photographs, just make sure that the photographer agrees to the legal conditions of releasing their photographs under Creative Commons license or the public domain. AstrooKai │ Talk 06:43, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello! Also wishing you good luck in replacing the group photo, which was apparently a still taken from a YouTube vid. Borgenland (talk) 16:37, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello, sure! I already have a group photo in mind from their shots, I've just requested a non-watermark version to comply with image use policy. Orojackson56 (talk) 02:28, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi! I'm also hoping you @Orojackson56 to find a group photo for their Bini discography and Bini videography articles. I'm on the process of expanding those articles so a photo in the infobox would be good addition. AstrooKai │ Talk 06:35, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

I'll see what I can do. I've already reached out to a couple more fansites, some have good shots of group photos, but have yet to have a response. Orojackson56 (talk) 13:12, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

Italicization of Star Hunt Academy

Hello! I've noticed that the name "Star Hunt Academy" is italicized in this section's heading, but not within the rest of the article. Should the name be consistently italicized throughout?

I wanted to ask because I'm not entirely sure whether it qualifies for italicization under Wikipedia's guidelines. Could anyone clarify if "Star Hunt Academy" should be treated as a title of a major work, which would typically warrant italicization? AstrooKai │ Talk 12:47, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

What I’m confused about is whether the TV program was called SHA or just SH? Borgenland (talk) 16:22, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Okay, so I just watched some of the episodes online and here's what I learned.

Star Hunt is the designation for ABS-CBN's nationwide auditions program, aiming to search and develop new talents for various entertainment fields (acting, singing, dancing, etc.). Star Hunt Academy is the branch of this program, dedicated to vocal and dance training, to form idol groups, which is now known as BINI and BGYO.

So it seems then that "Star Hunt Academy" is also the name of the show. Though it wasn't aired on any television channels, only on Star Hunt's YouTube channel. While this was the case, I guess it can still be considered a show which warrants italicization per Manual of Style. AstrooKai │ Talk 17:46, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

I remember seeing snippets of the show in the afternoons as a bus commuter though. I think it was around 4 or 5 PM on ABS-CBN and was coupled with brief updates from PBB. Borgenland (talk) 00:28, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

I see. Anyway, do you think these constitutes for the name to be italicized consistently throughout the article? AstrooKai │ Talk 05:22, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

Yes. And better to use the acronym for succeeding mentions to save space. Borgenland (talk) 12:49, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

Alright, will do it now. Thank you. AstrooKai │ Talk 12:54, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

Also, does the acronymn gets italicized too? AstrooKai │ Talk 12:55, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

As far as I'm concerned yes. Borgenland (talk) 12:57, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

Published the edit. I left some of its mentions in full form as I see them fit in the context of the paragraph, feel free to change this if otherwise. AstrooKai │ Talk 13:07, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

Bini logo

Hello! I uploaded the logo of bini in Wikimedia commons, the date of publication i was based on their registered date trademark in World Intellectual Property Organization or Intellectual Property Office of the Philippines (IPO) and the name of applicant.

If you want to add the logo in this article, the file is in the category of bini in wikimedia. Royiswariii (talk) 01:50, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

Rexona

Need independent refs for the recent Rexona ad. Borgenland (talk) Borgenland (talk) 14:15, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi, @Borgenland! I noticed you have posted this same request on Talk:Bini discography and Talk:Bini videography, but I will reply here since responding on both talk pages would be excessive. To answer your request, there are currently no available independent reliable sources since the advertisement is too recent to get media coverage.

It is unlikely that other news outlets besides ABS-CBN News will cover the advertisement since it does not appear notable. Since it is only a promotion for a cosmetic brand. AstrooKai │ Talk 14:33, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

No worries, I'm still remembering the previous notes on the members. Borgenland (talk) 14:35, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

References about Bini's fandom name

The references in the article's Fandom section must be replaced with new references (preferably those published by news agencies) as they are primary sources and user-generated content. The source, particularly the Facebook live stream, cannot be archived properly since Facebook's robots.txt generally prohibits bot crawlers from accessing the website and the fact that the stream is one hour long (evident in existing archives of the URL where the page is not properly archived), causing the likelihood for it to become deprecated in the future. AstrooKai │ Talk 08:48, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Also suggest moving it further down the article on grounds of WP:DUE. Borgenland (talk) 10:12, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Just added a GMA ref. The section may need to be pruned tho to remove unsupported content. Borgenland (talk) 10:15, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

There is no need for the section to be trimmed as the reference states almost the exact same content of the section. I will just do a minor trim and copyedit on it and remove the UGC references. AstrooKai │ Talk 10:48, 6 August 2024 (UTC)