Talk:Blockhaus d'Éperlecques

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Did You Know A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on June 17, 2011.
The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that the Blockhaus d'Éperlecques was built in France by the Nazi Organisation Todt during World War II to launch V-2 missiles against England?
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Blockhouse[edit]

This structure is a blockhouse not a bunker. The difference is that a blockhouse is predominately an above ground structure while a bunker is predominately an underground structure. -- PBS (talk) 13:42, 16 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Article name[edit]

Just a note to point out to those who might wish to change it that the article's name is taken from that of the museum, which is usually rendered in the original French (i.e. no translation) in English-language guidebooks. Prioryman (talk) 17:04, 5 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Guidebooks? Taken from that of the museum? If I understand your argument, the palace of Versailles should be renamed "Le Palais de Versailles" and read the it is a museum preserving a royal château too. Or if your prefer, one should also change the name of the Maginot line into "La ligne Maginot", the name of Fort Eben-Emael into "Le Fort d'Ében-Émael", which is also museum.
The bunker is mainly known as the Watten bunker in reference WWII books. See Google books [1]
The use of the name "Blockhaus d'Eperlecques" is mainly used by guidebooks, not really WWII references. See Google books [2]
IMHO it is rendered in French in guidebooks because the bunker is not easy to find and you need to follow road signs to get to it...
The official website uses, in his English section, the term "Blockhaus or Bunker of Eperlecques". What is wrong with " The Blockhaus d'Eperlecques (English: Bunker of Eperclecques) is a WWII bunker (...) turned into a private museum". The article is all about the WII site anyway.Alberto Fernandez Fernandez (talk) 07:58, 6 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
OK, that's a good suggestion - thanks. Prioryman (talk) 08:03, 6 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

A-4 or V-2 ?[edit]

The current mish-mash of references to A-4 and V-2 missiles in this article is ridiculous ? Are they the same thing ? If so, then use one name or the other consistently! I would suggest that V-2 is by far the more common English-language usage.Eregli bob (talk) 02:41, 17 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The problem is that the missile wasn't called the V-2 until September 1944 - so referring to it as the "V-2" in 1942 and 1943 is anachronistic. I've amended the text to make this clearer. Prioryman (talk) 06:57, 17 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Chronology[edit]

Someone posted a comment to the article: "[clarification needed Problem with the chronology. Bombing of Watten was decided after the bombing of Peenemunde on August 17-18. to start planning more appropriate that to begin attacks IMHO]"

As the sources say, the bombing of Watten and the other V-weapons sites was indeed ordered in May 1943, before Peenemunde. At the time the Allies didn't know that the sites in the Pas-de-Calais had anything to do with the V-weapons; the reason for choosing to attack them was summed up in Lord Cherwell's comment that "if it is worth the enemy's while to go to all the trouble of building them it would seem worth ours to destroy them". They realised subsequently that the sites were associated with the V-weapons and stepped up the attacks afterwards - but the attacks were not contingent to the decision to bomb Peenemunde. Prioryman (talk) 18:47, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Reviewer: Lemonade51 (talk · contribs) 23:19, 17 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I will be working my way through the article and adding any queries where I see fit. Feel free to make corrections, or correct me as I go along.

Lead
  • "English: Bunker of Éperlecques", my understanding is if you anglify a foreign language, it alters the spelling. So surely it becomes 'Eperlecques', the 'accent aigu' is redundant?
  • Nope; check out Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Proper names#Diacritics. "Wikipedia normally retains these special characters, except where there is a well-established English spelling that replaces them with English standard letters." There isn't a well-established English spelling for Éperlecques, which is a pretty obscure place historically, so the accent is retained. Prioryman (talk) 17:03, 18 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Kraftwerk Nord West (KNW) (Powerplant Northwest)", adjacent sets of parentheses are discouraged, per MOS:BRACKETS. I would suggest using a square bracket for 'Powerplant Northwest'.
  • 'Monument Historique', should this be in caps?
  • I assume you don't mean the whole thing should be in caps? I've de-capitalised the first letters of the two words. Prioryman (talk) 17:03, 18 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Background
  • "Speer gave orders that two bunkers were to be constructed by the Organisation Todt construction group to a "special fortification standard" (Sonderbaustärke) requiring a steel-reinforced concrete ceiling 5 metres (16 ft) thick and walls 3.5 metres (11 ft) thick.", place a comma between '(Sonderbaustärke)' and 'requiring'.
Design and location
  • "It was given the codename of Kraftwerk Nord West (KNW) (Northwest Power Plant).", bracket concern here. Perhaps you can fit "Northwest Power Plant" into the prose instead of it being in a bracket?
  • "At nearby Saint-Omer there", bracket between 'Saint-Omer' and 'there'
Discovery, destruction and abandonment
  • "...construction at Watten (wryly codenamed Concrete Lump) "for deception purposes", and the...", again perhaps you could remove the brackets and fit it into the prose, unless you feel it's just distracting information.
  • "the liquid-oxygen generators", liquid oxygen does not need to be hyphenated.
Air raids on the Watten site
  • The table needs rowscopes on the first row in order to comply with MOS:DTT.
  • I assume you mean column scopes? I've added them for the column headers, but as there are no row headers no rowscopes are needed. Prioryman (talk)
References
  • I'll see if I can get hold of a hard copy reference, since the link was to an online version of a hard copy magazine. Prioryman (talk) 17:03, 18 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The ref is still dead. I have found an archive of the website, if you wish to use it. -- Lemonade51 (talk) 12:38, 20 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Well done, thanks! I've replaced the dead link with the archive link you found. I think that covers the last of the outstanding issues? Prioryman (talk) 22:08, 20 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Why does Ref 4 have a different date format to the rest?
  • No idea, I assume someone else added it. I've made it consistent, anyway. Prioryman (talk) 17:03, 18 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Noticed YouTube video has been removed by the user.
  • Regrettable, but it wasn't essential anyway - I've removed the link. Prioryman (talk) 21:41, 18 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

On hold. Shall pass, very interesting read and great prose. -- Lemonade51 (talk) 22:12, 20 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Doorway to Launch Pads ??[edit]

I have recently been to the site and i am considerably puzzled at the reality of the concrete as against the plans. There is no visible indication that the concrete is any way removable in order to create a door or moveable entrance. I agree the site is incomplete but there is still no evidence for a doorway. As Galileo might argue 'how can it move'. nojoking 08-Oct-2016 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nojoking (talk • contribs) 19:20, 8 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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