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Physical Resemblance

This guy looks very much like the actor who played Tin-Tin in the movie The Crow - curious. Longshot14 20:34, 7 March 2006 (UTC) Booker looks very much like flav r flav and he is in clips on the big screen as booker walks out any one know what that is about is he related to him or is he just a fan he even has the cape and the crown to match flav's.

What?

Could someone please verify Booker's real name? I've been looking every to figure out what his real name is! I've seen that his first name is Booker and then it's Robert! could someone help with this? Thanks. MgHoneyBee (talk) 21:54, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

All those boxes!

It says before going into the succession lists that Booker T has won the title 36 times. So why list all of them? I propose that the list be clipped to only show the WCW heavyweight, WWE US Title, WCW US Title, and WWE Intercontinental title, if even those last two. DamionOWA 04/10/06

So why list all of them? Because it's important! Every wrestler has every known championship succession listed like that. Trosk 16:31, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

The boxes have dissappeared, someones deleted them (time is 18.41, 1st June 2006). Is it possible to reverse vandalism? I can't find his championship reigns anywhere

King Booker?

That's not his name. He may have said he was going to do it. But as of May 23rd, he is still known as Booker T. I'm changing it back.

The person that put it in ran with an article on a wrestling site that WWE had trademarked the name. However, it shouldn't be put in until he actually is referred to it in the ring announcements.

This WWE.com article and the coronation ending confirm it. --TheTruthiness 01:14, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

He's still listed under the SD! superstars section as Booker T though. ~ MethnorTalk to me!

Wait, no he isn't. ~ 124.182.196.25

Batista Fight

I have heard no reputable information that the Booker/Batista fight was a work. I know at first people thought it was, but since then enough locker room sources have confirmed for the major dirtsheets that it was a real fight. --TheTruthiness 22:16, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

The locker room sources have been from WWE.com, which reports everything in kayfabe.

Figure 4 Weekly and the Torch's sources have said it's real. --TheTruthiness 00:10, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Until I hear it from Meltzer, it's a work.


Metlzer's long since confirmed it is'nt one.

-Dr. R.K.Z


King Booker subsection

I'd say the King Booker part deserves it's own headline within WWE, at least for now while the gimmick is really fresh. What do you guys think? --TheTruthiness 15:38, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

It's still too early to see. If the "King Booker" gimmick lasts a several months, then it probably will merit a subsection being created.--

Jtalledo (talk) 16:07, 5 June 2006 (UTC) His new ring name is king booker the commntators are calling him that even cole whos the face

Shoulder v. Bicep

I changed the bit about his tattoos because it had said they were on his left and right "upper bicep". There really isn't such a thing as an "upper bicep". The bicep is the two headed muscle on the front end of your upper arm. Booker's tattoos are located on his lateral deltoids, which are your shoulder muscles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.118.141.92 (talk) 02:31, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

SPOILERS!!!

Somebody typed that Booker is the World Heavyweight Champion right now. I'm typing this right before the match is supposed to start at The Great American Bash. I was going to delete this but I'll just leave it because Booker probably will beat Rey Mysterio, Jr. for the Title. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.168.148.35 (talk) 02:30, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

whats happened to the page

i looked at the page and its about randy orten!!

...... (imagine a dividing line here!)

Yeah, that problem has been fixed. We hope.

--RobbieFal 04:42, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Yep all fixed thank you :-).. you seen Booker's new Stable its Booker T, Cuppa T (Regal) and Guinness (Finlay) though saying that, Finlay is from Northern Ireland not Ireland and i wish WWE gets this right!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.2.113.39 (talk • contribs)

Actually, Ireland is both the name of a country and the name of the island that consists of Ireland and Northern Ireland. It's like how people from North and South Korea can just say they are from Korea. TJ Spyke 23:11, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Since Booker changed from face to heel after the KOTR...

...should we put a wrestling page of the wrestlers who had a turn right after a very big event? (ex. After Randy Orton won the World Heavyweight title, he turned face) --70.23.72.6 23:59, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

  • Booker was a heel before and during the KOTR, he hasn't been face since he turned on Benoit last year.

Controversy?

Is there a source on this? It seems like a lot of rubbish. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.158.47.68 (talk) 10:15, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Booker's Weight

Booker's billed weight has been lowered down to 245 pounds, since when did the WWE start billing him eleven pounds lower? JamX3K (talk) 15:52, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

king booker

I was watching raw last night. He was Referred as Booker T multiple times and he doesn;t act as modest as he usually does, screaming at john cena about how he is unbeatable. His name might, in the futre, be revised back to booker T and it looks as if he is going to become a face again.

Finishin and signature moves Scissors Kick The Book End / Book In / Royal Book End (Kneeling Side Slam) Piledriver Missile Dropkick 110th Street Slam (Kneeling Flapjack Spinebuster) Harlem Hangover / Houston Hangover (Somersault Leg Drop) Harlem Sidekick / Houston Sidekick (Hopping Superkick) Arm Twist followed by a Hook Kick Sidewalk Slam Backhand Chop Sunset Flip Roll Up out of corner The Spinerooni / Spin-A-Roonie / Whirly Bird (Breakdancing Windmill)

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.246.131.47 (talk) 21:20, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Finishin and signature moves

Scissors Kick The Book End / Book In / Royal Book End (Kneeling Side Slam) Piledriver Missile Dropkick 110th Street Slam (Kneeling Flapjack Spinebuster) Harlem Hangover / Houston Hangover (Somersault Leg Drop) Harlem Sidekick / Houston Sidekick (Hopping Superkick) Arm Twist followed by a Hook Kick Sidewalk Slam Backhand Chop Sunset Flip Roll Up out of corner The Spinerooni / Spin-A-Roonie / Whirly Bird (Breakdancing Windmill)

In WCW his scissor kick was actually called the Axe Kick this should also be added — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.204.190.71 (talk) 10:40, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

United States Championship Picture

There's supposed to be a picture of Booker with Sharmell holding the US title, but the picture is missing. Can someone that knows how to do pictures fix the link for the picture? Anakinjmt 00:05, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Undeserved wrestler

Booker T does not deserve to be a wrestler 'cause he is a complete cheater, one of the biggest in WWE. What do you guys think?=:-;=MHuZ=;-:= 10:32, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't think that's really relevent here, as that's POV and technically, this isn't a place to discuss things about wrestling, but to discuss the actual article itself. Anakinjmt 00:06, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Mhuz=mark

This breaks the impartiality rules and also of course he's deserving as a world heavyweight championship QueenAlexandria

Kevin Nash

'Nballsballsballsballsash'

Best mispronounciation, ever. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sephjnr (talk • contribs) 12:10, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

signature moves

Somebody has changed the name of his signature moves, can somebody change it back? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.69.213.224 (talk) 22:26, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

i made a redirect from "booker t huffman"

Pro Wrestling Alliance (Booker's Houston promotion)

Shouldn't his article mention Pro_Wrestling_Alliance and its sister training school in Houston? STFmaryville 07:50, 8 January 2007 (UTC)


Also, does anyone have any specific information about Booker's PWA promotion? I'm talking about stuff like when it began operation, if it has a TV show, etc.

prison time for armed robbery?

i came across this entry after seeing on the smoking gun site that this dude served 19 months for several armed robberies? Isn't that info kinda important to include on booker T's entry? 69.151.232.28 (talk) 06:44, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Champion of Champions

I think Champion of Champions should be added within his titles history. I think its a valid title just like King of the Ring, or Royal Rumble Winner.

  1. Yeah I don't really see why it's not in there... Kickurass00 22:36, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Champion of Champions probably won't be added in unless they have another Champion of Champions match again at Cyber Sunday next year. Until then just leave it out I guess. 5TimeWCWChamp 04:48, 22 January 2007 (UTC) King Booker won with the help of K FED thts ALL!

Still it should be there even if they dont use it again as he still has the title. he now and again states that he is the champion of champions. Maybe not in title history as it is not a title like the world heavyweight championship but maybe at the start of the article. (where it states his real name and that he is a six time world heavyweight champion. Black6989 13:57, 2 March 2007 (UTC)Black6989

this article dosen't do the king justice

This article is completley lacking in some area and I feel that some of the voids need to be filled in. SuperCalo 23:49, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Then fill them in, as long as what you're adding doesn't violate policy. Just be bold!. Cheers, -- The Hybrid 23:51, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

I have edited before but it gets reverted back. Something about being to specific. on certain topics. SuperCalo 23:54, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

It was probably what we call week-by-week information, meaning that it wasn't notable to his overall career. For one example, an unsuccessful title match before a feud unrelated to the title. It seems notable at the time, but it doesn't affect the course of his career, so it really isn't notable. This is a more specific form of the policy stating that Wikipedia isn't a repository of random information. The results of unimportant WWE matches fall under this category, and WP:PW has been at this long enough to recognize a match that will be unimportant in the long run, so we remove them on sight. I hope that I have been helpful. Peace, -- The Hybrid 00:45, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Letter from a Birmingham Jail Suplex

Is this an actual move of his, its been in the article for awhile now and I don't recall ever seeing this move or even hearing about it was. Was it move he used early in his career, I'd take it out but not sure if it's a real move of his. Arnold4 19:29, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

It was taken out. Arnold4 20:49, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

SOURCE

Huffman was not thrilled with the change to his wrestling character going from Booker T to King Booker due to all of the "kings" that had been in the wrestling business such as Jerry "the King" Lawler, "Macho King" Randy Savage, King Haku, and "King" Harley Race. But after negotiations, he agreed to the character change.

If this dosen't have a source it should be taken out. MoosePlex 01:54, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

What about Booker's Ex-Wife?

What is her name and is she the mother of his son Brandon?

Booker's first wife, mother of Brandon, has never been mentioned or seen on any wrestling program. He second wife, Levestia, and Brandon has though.

In the WWE book Unscripted, Booker says that is son has a lot of anger toward him and they have a strained relationship.Just thought I would add this.MgHoneyBee 03:35, 18 August 2006 (UTC) In a 1997 issue of WCW Magazine, Booker said that he won his first WCW Television title on his son's 14th birthday, December 29, 1997. (MgTurtle 20:14, 10 July 2007 (UTC)).

This article needs some pictures, SUCKA

add pictures MoosePlex 04:06, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

You're right about that, then we can upgrade the rating of this article, they must be pictures that aren't against copyright ect. know. Govvy 09:40, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Can someone put back the picture of Booker at the top of the article where it says Image:Mark Calaway that shouldn't be there. SuperCalo 19:36, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

I added one of King Booker. We just need some from the different portions of his career (Harlem Heat, WCW Singles Star, Early WWE, etc). Mshake3 00:07, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

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champions of champions

isn't booker the first and the only champion of champions

That is an unimportant title. There is no chamionship and unless there is another 'champion of champions' match at Cyber Sunday, it won't get readded. The conclusion of a match that doesn't change a title or annouce a new championship to be defended, isn't staying on the article. — Moe (ε) 23:44, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Protection

This page desperately needs it. IPs constantly add Booker's supposed resignation. It's getting more tiresome that reverting PPV spoilers. Gavyn Sykes 00:05, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

I have semi protected it for a period of one week. - Caribbean~H.Q. 22:54, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Drug allegations and leaving WWE Rumours

According to some wrestling websites Booker T has been suspended due to a breach of the "wellness programme" by being a member of a pharmacy group banned by the WWE and as he was in the process of negotiating his contract at the time it appears Booker has decided to call it a day on WWE. I, of course, will not add this to the article until there is verification/sources for the websites.. it may just be web tattle! but can others keep an eye out for news? Sparkyboi —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sparkyboi (talk • contribs) 19:21, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

I had also heard of this. Sounds like what I read he was to be suspended for 60 days instead of the 30 days for his second offense. But of course this is just speculation.Deleterboy012 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.244.170.69 (talk) 21:34, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

See conversations on PW talk, it has already been somewhat discussed. --Naha|(talk) 21:41, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

in my oppinion, adding the suspension info is crystal balling. all we have here is just some dirtsheet sites saying so. So we should leave that point away until wwe announces it on November 1. Diivoo 12:41, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

I read on wrestlezone.com, that King Booker, Queen Sharmell AND Ric Flair all quit the company. The reason Ric Flair quit was not released, but Booker and Sharmell wuit because due to the steriod allegations against 15 superstars, they active superstars got suspended. The first allegation in the WWE is 30 days, but Booker got suspended for 60 days which is the second allegation. Simply Booker didn't like it and left the company. gameplaya 9:41 18 September 2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.198.104.92 (talk) 01:42, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

booker t

If you look a legitame source is provided about him being suspended. From an Associated Press article in the New york daily news.Rogue Gremlin 02:22, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

The New York Daily News' website only reported the wrestlers involved in the drug scandal from what I know, this article is not a direct source and its basically gossiping about other's publication report. - Caribbean~H.Q. 02:40, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

You need to re-read the article it clearly says who was SUSPENDED, The link I provided was to the Toronto Star newpaper, using the AP article from the New York Daily News.Rogue Gremlin 02:44, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

The Star fails Wikipedia's policy stating no original research. You said yourself that they were using information from the Associated Press release; however, they were not entirely accurate in their reporting. The Star reported the wrestlers as suspended, while the AP was exceedingly careful to not report the names as suspensions. This website does not adhere to Wikipedia's NOR policy, nor is it written from a neutral point of view. This is why that website cannot be trusted on this issue. It may very well be reliable on other issues, but as for this one, it fails Wikipedia's requirements of a reliable source. The Hybrid 02:46, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Also I havent used this but here is the actual new york times article on King Bokker leaving the WWE http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more_sports/2007/09/14/2007-09-14_pacman_jones_strips_kurt_sting_of_belt.html] That accompanied by the suspention is why i removed the words "performing on" but left that he was still signed to the WWE. Even though he isn'tRogue Gremlin 02:52, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
That's not the New York Times, genius. That's the NY Daily News & it is basically a gossip rag alongside the NY Post.67.85.214.140 20:54, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

WCW Championship

Why does it say WCW Championship, instead of WCW World Heavyweight Championship in Acomplishments and Championships? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.202.133.90 (talk) 22:32, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Tis the title name. Mshake3 22:38, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
It was shortened to "WCW Championship" when the title was under WWF. Gavyn Sykes 01:11, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

TNA Run Sting's Mystery Partner ?

A recent TNA angle included Sting having a mystery partner for Genesis to face Kurt Angle and Kevin Nash. This mystery wrestler was widely believed to be Scott Hall who on the last program said he was not Sting's mystery partner. At the end of the TNA Impact episode this web address was spelled backwards and flashed on screen http://www.11t11n07a.com/ . This domain is registered to Lee South an employee of TNA. This site is a puzzle which when completed it says written in reverse Borden Genesis Hoffman Novemeber 11th not nesscarily in that order. Hoffman as we know is Booker T's last name so its safe to say he has been signed to TNA and will appear at Genesis on Sunday. I'm not good at wikipedia or I'd add it myself. 24.186.83.96 07:02, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

We know this already, but it's a spoiler and thus shouldn't be added. Gavyn Sykes 16:33, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
Also, this is not the place to discuss rumors (which is all it is, "spoiler" implies that it's true). I have strong doubts that it could be him anyways since it would require WWE to waive the standard 90 day no-compete clause that wrestlers released by them have. TJ Spyke 23:53, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
I guess I was wrong. 03:47, 12 November 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by TJ Spyke (talk • contribs)

Booker wasn't released by WWE. His contract expired. You could tell because the note WWE.com posted about his "release" said it was only effective some 2 or 3 weeks in the future. Tromboneguy0186 05:16, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Sorry but I would have considered it a spoiler if it was infact through a third party source. The information was given by TNA which I thought doesn't make it a spoiler. It doesn't matter anymore anyway but a spoiler is most often revealed through sources that are not the company in my experience but could be wrong nontheless it doesn't matter anymore since genesis is over. 24.186.83.96 05:09, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

We have a problem

He's jumped companies, so his WWE bio doesn't exist anymore. As a result, anything that cited it as a reference needs to be redone. The Hybrid T/C 21:57, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Bloody hell. At any rate, we can still source his spots in the history of the various titles he held, but beyond that, it does need to be redone. Not good. Gavyn Sykes 01:09, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
Can't we find it in some sort of web archive as we did at Cryme Tyme and Shad Gaspard? Bmg916Speak 01:11, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

i found this on tna's roster page [1] S-PAC54 15:38, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Nothing much. TNA doesn't make extensive bio pages like WWE does. TNA bios will almost never be put to use as sources (except for height, weight, hometown and finishing Moves). The Chronic 05:23, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Pruning?

This article seems way, way too long. I'm not sure what to take out. Any suggestions? Gavyn Sykes (talk) 02:53, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Booker/Stevie Problems, Reason For Leaving WWE, PWA

According to this conference call a couple of things in Booker, Stevie, PWA and Sharmell's profiles should be changed:

Book and Stevie are at odds right now and Stevie never helped him start his school.

He Left WWE primarily because of the pharmacy scheule and not his school/promotion

He plans for PWA to be a developmental for TNA

Here are the links

In an recent interview Huffman admitted he demanded release by the wwe because he was having trouble with David Batista. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.136.43.152 (talk) 09:32, 24 May 2008 (UTC) Call pt1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTSgqDJ__is

Call pt2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bb_9GgbZ17U

Call pt3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPWLkP4FnR8

Or the full audio (to be downloaded): http://www.gerweck.net/1bookert.wma

Fonz469 (talk) 13:53, 29 November 2007 (UTC)Fonz469

Name change

Booker Huffman

Resolved

Move to Booker T? --Endless Dan 12:21, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Oppose because of this Disambig page. Darrenhusted (talk) 12:32, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
Oppose per Darrenhusted Gavyn Sykes (talk) 18:36, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
Oppose Govvy (talk) 18:56, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

 Not done King iMatthew 2008 11:26, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

first black champ

Booker is the first black champion in WWE. The Rock doesnt count as he looks samoan and is samoan. Someone compared it to Halle Berry but you can tell shes black. The Rock blackness is less noticable. User:Wrestlinglover420

Whether his blackness is noticeable or not is irrelevant. Just because he looks more Samoan doesn't change the fact he is also black. He's black as well as Samoan, therefore the first black champion. And the comparison to Halle Berry is relevant as she is half black, half white and she is considered the first black woman to win an Oscar not because she "looks black" but because she is black, just as much as The Rock is. Bmg916 Speak to Me 16:19, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

actually his blackness is 100% relevant because he is the first actual african american to win a world title in wwe. The Rock isnt African American he is African Samoan. There is a huge difference. User:Wrestlinglover420

Your right his blackness is 100% relevant (I was talking about The Rock's "blackness" btw, not Booker's), your changing your argument. I said whether his blackness is noticeable is irrelevant. And he is not African-Samoan. He is African-American AND Samoan. His dad is African-American, his Mom is Samoan, making him both. Whether The Rock's skin color indicates he is black or not is irrelevant, he is black. Bmg916 Speak to Me 18:56, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

The Rock is not african american. therefore he is not the first african american champion. to even suggest this is a insult to every black person there is. The Rock, as great as he may be isnt black hes a mix. Eddie Guerrero was the first mexican champion because he was full blooded mexican. Booker is the first African champ because hes just that African. User:Wrestlinglover420

So you're saying then that Halle Berry shouldn't considered the first black woman to win an Oscar because she has a white mother and black father? My friend, you are insulting African Americans by saying The Rock isn't one, and you are also insulting Racially-mixed people by basically telling them you don't count for anything because you are more than one race. The Rock's dad is African-American, Therefore The Rock is considered African-American, making him the first African-American World Champion. And I quote "'When he was a child, Dwayne asked me what he was, and I told him,' says Rocky Johnson. 'And I taught him to appreciate and represent the Black race because that's what I did.'" To read the rest of this article, you can click here Bmg916 Speak to Me 17:25, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Actually, Ron Simmons was the first black world champion. I think you meant first black world champion in WWE. TJ Spyke 19:12, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Yea, that's what I meant, my bad. Bmg916 Speak to Me 19:20, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

"The Rock is the first African-American wrestler to have held the WWE Championship (He is African-American/Samoan)" WWE Championship at All Experts. There, even a reliable source. Bmg916 Speak to Me 17:42, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Thats exactly what im saying. Rock is not black hes a mix period. He may be the first half black champ but he is not the first black champion. Besides that Halley Berrey and wrestling are two different things. User:Wrestlinglover420

    • your last sentence makes no sense. The topic dove into what do you consider a mixed person. acting and pro wrestling might be two different things, but the comparison makes sense - halle berry is considered the first black woman to win that oscar, the best actress one, no? no report has said "oh she is the first half black woman to win", but the first black woman. how can you not give that distinction to the rock, who has been reported in numerous magazines and websites as being black? how can you bend the rules to suit what you are trying to prove? Khal 16:57, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

So racially mixed people don't count for anything? And as for Halle Berry and wrestling, yes they are two different things, but the situation is the exact same. Halle Berry and The Rock are of mixed races. Halle Berry is "half-black" but yet considered the first black woman to win an Oscar. The Rock is "half-black" and therefore is considered the first black person to win a WWF/E World Title. I have even provided you with a reliable source that says so. Bmg916 Speak to Me 17:50, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

If you provide me with a link from WWE where they clearly state The Rock is the first black WWE Champion then ill beleive you. Until then a rumor website does not count. Im not saying that mixed races dont count. I'm saying they dont count the same as some who is full breed. User:Wrestlinglover420

Well, do you have a link from WWE or PWI that states Booker and NOT The Rock is the first black WWE Champion? If not, then Booker is not considered the first black champion either. And yes, they do count the same as "full-breed" in this world. Hence why Tiger Woods is considered black as well as asian, Halle Berry black as well as white, etc. Bmg916 Speak to Me 18:47, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

The Rock is the first WWE Champion of African-American descent. That is the encyclopaedic bit. Classifying people on how brown or white or green their skin is has no place on Wikipedia. Saying Booker T is "blacker" than the Rock is asinine and sounds like the Wiktionary definition of racialism (The belief in the existence and significance of racial categories). Suriel1981 19:07, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Whether Rock is 100% black, 50% black, or even just 10% black, he is still black. He was the first black world champion in WWE, plain and simple. You are the one insulting all African-Americans by saying he isn't black just because he is mixed. BTW, why do you never sign your posts Wrestlinglover420? TJ Spyke 19:12, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Whoah... Wrestlinglover420, did you honestly use the term "full breed"...?? Jesus H Christ, that's not good dude, using phrases like that can be construed as seriously racist and get you in a heap of trouble Suriel1981 19:18, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Considering im black its ok. Booker is the first black champion period dot dash. User:Wrestlinglover420

You are wrong, period dot dash. The Rock is black, he won his first world title before Booker, even a 6 year old can put 2 and 2 together. Please tell me you are at least as smart as a 6 year old? TJ Spyke 02:12, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

The Rock is not black! He has never stated he was black. He always puts how hes a proud samoan. As a matter of fact I remember everytime he was champ never once did he even say he was black. He might be bothe but he counts his samoanism more. Wrestlinglover420—Preceding unsigned comment added by Wrestlinglover420 (talk • contribs)

http://www.wwe.com/content/media/video/tvshows/raw/200703/4323564/031207rock?section=%2F ,The Rock saying he is black. Even if he didn't, that would be a horribly crappy argument. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hawk405359 (talk • contribs) 22:48, 7 April 2007 (UTC).

Can we at least agree that Booker T is the first black World Heavyweight Champion, the belt being defended on Smackdown! 5TimeWCWChamp 18:30, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Just because The Rock doesn't state he is black, doesn't mean he isn't black. And by the way, yes, he does say he is black. Just because someone doesn't state their race doesn't mean that they aren't of that race. The Rock's dad is black, therefore he is black, just get over it already. Bmg916 Speak to Me 21:28, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Im not gonna get over it until justice is served. Wrestlinglover420 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wrestlinglover420 (talk • contribs)

Justice is served? The Rock is black, and the first black champion is WWE. That is a FACT and there is no arguing against it. You are 100% wrong, whether you admit it or not. Also, stop being lazy and sign your posts. TJ Spyke 01:51, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

What kind of dumb thread is this? The Rock is half-black half-samoan thus he is the first ever period. -DDF

(Hybrid bangs head on desk.) The Rock is of African descent, so he is the first black champ. Saying that he isn't black enough, or it isn't obvious enough, or whatever is subjective. POV won't change the way we consider things. The Rock was the first, period. Move on. -- The Hybrid 03:01, 27 March 2007 (UTC) 

"Im not saying that mixed races dont count. I'm saying they dont count the same as some who is full breed"

That's probably one of the worst things I've ever read! Could you be any more racist?! The Rock has said he is both black and Samoan. I think he said it when he was being interviewed about the Wild Samoans for their induction into the Hall Of Fame. - Deep Shadow 16:42, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

I would like to officially nominate this thread for WP:LAME. Fatjabba 13:37, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

- Rock not considering himself black? Obviously you people never read his bestselling autobiography. And you guys werent around when he was hanging with The Nation of Domination or his Flex Cabana earlier in his career. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.120.93.49 (talk) 07:45, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Another comparison is the first black American president who is also mixed race QueenAlexandria

Citation 94

Can someone fix this citation.I don't know what's missing.(MgTurtle (talk) 03:08, 15 July 2008 (UTC)).

 Done There was a "-" instead of a "=" after title. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 04:40, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

TNA Legend's Champion

Booker T is the current TNA Legend's Champion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.137.127.253 (talk) 01:35, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Video Games

This reference ought to be cleaned up a little; and to be fair, WCW games should be included. Just because they are old doesn't mean they don't count. Booker was in WCW Nitro, WCW/nWo Thunder, WCW/nWo Revenge, WCW Mayhem, and WCW Backstage Assault. —Preceding unsigned comment added by C0NTR4l34ND (talk • contribs) 03:04, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Funny note

I've been exchanging messages with René De Wael the man who along with Didier Leglise made the theme song "Rap Sheet" and it turns out it had been so long since he'd actually heard the song that he had to go through his old tapes to find it. And to make things more interesting, he didn't know where the song, as he put it, was exploited at, so I had to explain to him who Harlem Heat were, lol. I know it's WP:OR, however, I just thought it might be interesting to hear. Crash Underride 09:30, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

WWE world title

Why is it his world title reign in his championship list —Preceding unsigned comment added by Supermike (talk • contribs) 18:11, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

He was WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION not WWE Champion. Crash Underride 09:33, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Booker T coming back to WWE in 2010?

I could have swore that I read something on this article about him returning after his TNA contract was up.Doom Ultra Man (talk) 00:29, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

He's on the independent circuit now, so he may not be coming back. Daniel 5790 (talk) 21:01, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Convicted Felon

Booker T is still a convicted felon, not "was". His status as a convicted felon remains intact, unless he is pardoned by the Governor of Texas, which is highly unlikely. Just because he has served his sentence, and was released early on parole does not remove his convicted felon status. If you do not understand this aspect of law, you should not change the article as a result. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.183.212.141 (talk) 01:01, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Please source your argument so the "misunderstanding" will be cleared up.(MgTurtle (talk) 02:25, 20 April 2010 (UTC))

While I "understand" your youthful enthusiasm on the subject, in the future, please do not edit something with which you are not factually familiar.

Statutory Restrictions on Convicted Felons in Texas (official state document) - http://www.courts.state.tx.us/pdf/StatuoryRestrictions2001.PDF . —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.183.212.141 (talk) 04:13, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

There needed to be an explanation for those not in the know so it should have been provided without the need of asking for it.Next time, try and do that. (MgTurtle (talk) 20:36, 20 April 2010 (UTC)).

An uninformed, nonauthoritative POV regarding the issue is not a valid reason to edit an article, especially when you "are not in the know" about the item you are correcting. Thanks for your explanation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.183.212.141 (talk) 02:24, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Prison section readded to Booker Huffman, as it is factual, and supported by 2 credible references; MgTurtle's biased POV edit to remove it did not go unnoticed. 71.176.59.101 (talk) 19:54, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Lock

Can someone lock this article? There are rumors that Booker will be returning to WWE at the Royal Rumble this weekend, and it keeps getting added to the article even though there is nothing that confirms this to be true. At this point (and likely until the Rumble happens), it's strictly gossip. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ryziun (talk • contribs) 22:44, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Return to WWE

Return to World Wrestling Entertainment (2011-Present)

On January 28,2011 Booker T canceled his appearance for the New Orleans comic con, sparking rumors that he would appear at the 2011 Royal Rumble. On January 29,2011 it was reported that Booker T would appear at the Royal Rumble pay-per view along with Kevin Nash.

This is purely speculation at this point, neither side has officially confirmed his return. We'll have to wait until the end of the Royal Rumble, until then there is no reliable source. 124.171.181.8 (talk) 04:28, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

I have removed that section and requested full protection until after the RR airs.   ArcAngel   (talk) ) 06:40, 30 January 2011 (UTC)


The return to WWE stuff is NOT speculation. It has been confirmed by Booker himself. Below is the article where he talks about returning for the Rumble and that he has now re-signed with the WWE and will wrestle and be an announcer. http://www.twnpnews.com/messages/32535.phpJason1978 (talk) 5:53, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

That's all well and good, but until a reliable source is found, it can't be added.   ArcAngel   (talk) ) 01:17, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Booker returned tonight at the Rumble.Jason1978 (talk) 11:18, 30 January 2011 (UTC —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.49.51.186 (talk)

WWE 2011

He Returned At The Rumble @ # 21 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.29.90.139 (talk) 03:07, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Yes he did. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.175.212.144 (talk) 03:58, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Youtube and Wrestling News Sites have videos for Booker T and Kevin Nash.140.182.168.191 (talk) 04:18, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

So, yeah, Booker returned at the Rumble, the bureaucracy at Wikipedia can calm down and let it be noted now. Killswitch Engage (talk) 04:40, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, but still need a reliable source to say he is signed.--WillC 07:53, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
We also need reliable sources for information that it wasn't just a one time appearance. Afro (Talk) 12:08, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
True, it could just be a one time thing, like how RVD showed up at the 2009 Rumble. Did we see anyone interesting at 10? Dictabeard (talk) 07:03, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

dates

Resolved

can someone fix this? .... Harlem Heat reunion; Misfits in Action (1500–1501) ... i doubt he was wrestling in 1500 (76.120.39.39 (talk) 08:41, 1 February 2011 (UTC))

its section 1.2.3 (76.120.39.39 (talk) 08:42, 1 February 2011 (UTC))

Fixed.   ArcAngel   (talk) ) 19:39, 1 February 2011 (UTC)


ty (76.120.39.39 (talk) 23:32, 1 February 2011 (UTC))

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Harlem Heat

On the June 24, 1996 Nitro, Harlem Heat defeated Lex Luger and Sting to capture their fifth WCW World Tag Team titles.[18] Prior to defeating Luger for the title, Booker got carried away during a televised interview, calling out Luger as well as Hulk Hogan, claiming "Hulk Hogan, we comin' for you, nigga!" Three days after losing the tag team titles to the Steiner Brothers, Harlem Heat regained the straps back from the Steiners on July 27. On September 23, Booker T and Stevie Ray were defeated by Public Enemy (Rocco Rock and Johnny Grunge) but took the titles back for the seventh time on October 1.[18]

This is really confusing!!!!!! Can someone please clarify this a bit further, thank you Peter (talk) 05:17, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: articles not moved Armbrust The Homunculus 16:34, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

– No one is going to dispute that Booker T. Washington is more significant than Booker T in just about every way, but Booker T. Washington isn't called "Booker T" any more than Martin Luther King, Jr. is called Martin Luther. I'm not familiar with Booker T. Jones or Booker T. Laury, but they don't appear to be called "Booker T" either. It stands to reason, then, that someone who types in "Booker T" is looking for the wrestler. Inasmuch as the other entries on the dab page are partial title matches, I'm not sure the dab should even exist, but that's a separate question (the people could be moved to Booker (name), and the charter school could be a hatnote from BTW). BDD (talk) 18:11, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

  • Oppose. Booker T. Jones fronted a reasonably well-known band called Booker T. & the M.G.'s, and it's perfectly reasonable that readers might look for him using plain "Booker T." as a search term. A lot of people visiting this page will probably be looking for Booker T. Washington as well, if they saw "Booker T" in the search suggestions and didn't know about the less famous gentlemen. Unless there's evidence that the wrestler is the unambiguous primary meaning of the search term "Booker T", readers are better served by a disambiguation page. Miscellaneous user (talk) 21:09, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
  • Oppose: If someone was gonna search for someone called Booker T, they would be looking for Washington way before they looked for Huffman. Not well enough to take priority over Washington.--WillC 21:25, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
  • Oppose - "Booker T" on its own primarily refers to Booker T. Jones. In ictu oculi (talk) 03:38, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
  • Support - let's see, Booker T has not wrestled a match since April 2012. Therefore, his page should not have regular updates nor people looking for regular updates. For the users bringing up Jones above, here are the numbers:
  • Booker T. Washington has been viewed 160021 times in the last 90 days.
  • Booker T (wrestler) has been viewed 92662 times in the last 90 days.
  • Booker T. Jones has been viewed 25738 times in the last 90 days.
  • Booker T. Laury has been viewed 514 times in the last 90 days.
  • Bukka White has been viewed 7257 times in the last 90 days.
I'm afraid that the wrestler beats Jones here, and I accept BDD's explaination that those looking for Booker T. Washington would probably not just type "Booker T" in. Actually, the "." comes into the picture, don't you think? Someone typing T is likely looking for the wrestler, someone typing "T." looking for somebody else. So "Booker T." can go to Washington or the dab page, and "Booker T" can go to the wrestler. How about that? Starship.paint (talk) 06:41, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
  • Oppose, since Washington exists (among others). And yes, that's after considering it's not the full name. InedibleHulk (talk) 07:48, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
  • Oppose, due to Washington being out there.リボン・サルミネン (Ribbon Salminen) (talk) 16:17, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
  • Oppose Booker T. Washington will be far more notable historically than the wrestler ever will be. Get his article moved to Booker Washington then we can look at this again.--Vaypertrail (talk) 11:51, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
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Actual name

The author credit on Booker T's autobiography is Booker T. Huffman. A Google Books link [2] was provided by Chr1717, who has disclosed an external relationship with Booker T. This contradicts the existing source within the article from wrestlingdata.com, which gives his name as Robert Booker Tio Huffman. Thoughts on this? Is it possible his name was Robert at birth but has been legally changed or something? Also pinging Meters who has been involved in this. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 04:12, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi all. Please go look at wrestlingdata.com. We have been in touch with their team and his name is now updated there to correctly reflect Booker T Huffman as his birth given / real name. Additionally, I have his drivers license if further proof is needed. Chr1717 (talk) 16:04, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

"Robert Booker Tio Huffman" is sourced by reliable mainstream and industry-specific outlets listed at WP:PW/RS. The article is now protected, which should hopefully stop the vandalism. Cloudbearer (talk) 16:57, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

The author credit on the book does not hold much weight for me. He goes by Booker T professionally so it is quite possible that he would drop his first name. Pen names are not at all unusual. We don't claim that Samuel Clements' real name was Mark Twain because he wrote under that name, and Eleanor Marie Robertson writes under at least four different pen names (if I remember correctly, she has even collaborated with herself using two of her pennames).
I don't know if the "Robert" in the article is correct, I'm just going by the source we had, and by the new sources that have been added. I've seen many variations in various sources using Robert or not, and with Tio, T. (with a period) and T (without a period) in just about every possibly combination. Meters (talk) 05:12, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Booker’s name

Hello. I have been advised to write something here on the talk page instead of making the edit directly myself due to affiliation with Booker. As you will see from the edit history, I have tried to change Booker’s name to Booker T Huffman Jr. several times now. It keeps getting changed back. You will also notice that the original linked source of the wrestling data base changed it to the correct name. You will then notice that that link was removed and new articles placed in. We have connected with several of the writers of those articles and they too have updated the name to be correct. See the first yahoo linked article in reference on 9. We provided the author with a copy of Booker’s ID to verify. At this point I am at a loss on next steps, as editors keep changing it back. I have also shared my affiliation with Booker which I feel should also hold merit here. Chr1717 (talk) 14:47, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Additionally, links 7 & 9 are now updates to reflect real name. Chr1717 (talk) 14:53, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

@Cloudbearer and Meters: Seems that the sources are changing. At what point do we change too? ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 15:17, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
Here's what's interesting to me. I looked at the sources related to his run for mayor in 2019. All of them show his name as "Booker T. Huffman"; some of those sources go back to 2017.
The 2021 sources have been updated(?) to Booker T. Huffman Jr. The lone holdout seems to be a 2017 ESPN story. I don't know if it's worth a note that his name has been reported alternately in the press, but it is certainly starting to look like reliable sources show his name as Booker T. Huffman Jr. (or at least as Booker T. Huffman, with some uncertainty about "Jr."). —C.Fred (talk) 15:38, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi @c.Fred - I have provided those sources with Booker’s ID that shows his name as Booker T. Huffman Jr. which is why they have updated it. The biggest concern is that his name is not Robert Tio. Chr1717 (talk) 15:45, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

I don’t understand this. We get the source links updated and then the ones with his correct name get removed?! Please advise. Chr1717 (talk) 16:08, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Just because Yahoo and PostWrestling capitulated to your rather determined cause doesn't mean there aren't reliable sources supporting the name of Robert Booker Tio Huffman. I have added several. Cloudbearer (talk) 16:15, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
I don’t understand what the issue is Cloudbearer. Most of the sources I have been in contact with (that updated once we provided them Booker’s government issued ID) have sites they pulled his name as Robert from Wikipedia… hence why you keep pulling sources. I’ve also identified that I work for Booker and have been open about that affiliation. I’ve further been seeking help on how to properly identify that on my page, as I’m new to this editing Wikipedia thing and trying to do this the right way snd be respectful of you all who do this all the time. But I really just don’t know what to do at this point. Am I expected to hunt down every writer who had ever used Wikipedia as their source and have them change it? What more do I need to do to prove to you since you have no way for me to show you Booker’s ID (which I can if you provide me a way)? Chr1717 (talk) 16:31, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
Also, respectfully, your way of using the word capitulated is laughable here. I work with Booker. His name is Booker not Robert. We showed a journalist he had an incorrect fact and verified that with physical proof for him so he changed it. I can show you the messages if you’d like. If anything, it’s your who is determined to not have the correct info here. Chr1717 (talk) 16:33, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
Many an editor has pulled shenanigans, claiming to be affiliated with a subject, and causing havoc for havoc's sake. Maybe you are working with Booker, but the site goes by sources rather than editor claims. That journalists are reporting a certain name because of your strongarming, rather than because it was what their research turned up, is not encouraging. Your claim that writers used Wikipedia as a source is unprovable.
I am satisfied that the subject's real name is Robert Booker Tio Huffman. Cloudbearer (talk) 16:39, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Can you provide me an email address to send you a copy of his GOVERNMENT ISSUED ID THAT SHOWS HIS NAME IS BOOKER T HUFFMAN JR?! There is no strong arming. I contacted a journalist and said you have an incorrect fact. They asked asked for proof. I provided said proof. What more do you need. At this point it feels like an ego thing for you of not wanting to be wrong… Chr1717 (talk) 16:48, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Documents have no value on Wikipedia: what matters is published sources. Claiming that editors are flexing their egos is a WP:CIVIL vio and will do little to help your cause. Cloudbearer (talk) 16:54, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

No worries. I get it. Just spoke with our team. You need a verified published source correct? So, just to clarify…if that said verified published source were Booker himself literally saying my name is not Robert Tio, would that be good enough for you? I would have thought the author page on his AUTOBIOGRAPHY would have been enough, but will video & audio on a published source suffice for you? Chr1717 (talk) 17:12, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

@Chr1717: The issue is that a reliable source, ESPN, still shows his name as Robert Tio Booker. We are in a situation now where sources show different things, but the scale is starting to tip to where more sources show Booker T. than Robert Tio Booker. Also remember that we put more weight on secondary sources, like news articles, than on primary or self-published sources, like the author page of an autobiography. —C.Fred (talk) 17:24, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
I've already commented above about why the name of an author on a book is not definitive proof of the author's actual name. Meters (talk) 20:58, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for the clarification. I am in the process of contacting ESPN. Question. If Booker were to talk about this on his radio show, share a clip of said conversations on his social media accounts, etc. would that be counted as a verifiable source? Funny enough, the radio show takes place on the local ESPN channel in Houston. The irony of that is not lost on me, mind you. But you can imagine how things go at a HUGE corporation like ESPN. Many different departments etc. Chr1717 (talk) 17:30, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

@Chr1717: Anything the subject says directly, even in an interview setting, still falls in the realm of primary sourcing. Secondary sourcing adds a layer of fact-checking and editorial review: that's why Wikipedia policy is to use reliable sources that are, whenever possible, independent secondary sources. —C.Fred (talk) 17:53, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
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