Talk:Bordurian

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~~Where is the word "da" found, and in which context?~~ 惑乱分からん 17:08, 28 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Sorry, I found it... 惑乱分からん 19:02, 28 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ponderings and genealogy[edit]

Having thought some about the language, removing proper names for places and persons and internationalisms (opernska, platz, szervis), the bulk of the words show a Germanic origin. "Amaïh!" and "szonett" is unclear, (disregarding the silly explanation that "amaih" probably is derived from a Brussels greeting or sigh, and szonett could well be derived from sonnet.) "Pristzy!" from the French exclamation "Sapristi!" with a similar meaning, isn't improbable as a Bordurian loanword. At first glance, it would be easy to interpret "da" (from "Opernska da Szohod") as a form of the Romance "de" borrowed into Bordurian, but considering the frequent Germanic vocabulary found elsewhere, it might possibly be some kind of genitive article, similar to Syldavian dascz, but in a construction akin to German "die Hälfte der Summe" (the half of the sum) possibly meaning "Opera House of the Szohod". Original Research and no sources, so it possibly couldn't be editied into the article, but it still seems as a plausible theory enough to me. 惑乱分からん 00:51, 29 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Amai, is a Dutch exclamation of surprise.

Rex 11:29, 29 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, that was it... But it isn't diegetically credible to look at it as the silly joke it was from the beginning... 惑乱分からん 15:04, 1 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm, "sztôpp" is actually somewhat of an internationalism, as well, with the ultimate origin possibly from Vulgar Latin (although the modern meaning to cease moving is mostly borrowed from English), it is also possible that the word is English spoken with a Bordurian accent. Anyway, I'd still say a Germanic origin seems most likely, and as a personal opinion, I'd guess a great deal of mutual intelligibility (with Syldavian) is likely. 惑乱分からん 19:47, 2 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Szcht[edit]

The only Szcht I could find was in the second last page at "Le sceptre d'Ottokar". But then, judging from context, I guess either Kronick or Himmerszeck might be saying something about "Szcht" on page 47 in the French original. I only have the Swedish translations, so I might not have gotten the complete canonical corpus. 惑乱分からん 23:50, 2 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You were correct, I was fooled by the background and similar "uniforms".

Rex 16:21, 3 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, it'd make more sense, yeah. For the radio report, there was a caption in page 61 in "King Ottokar's Sceptre" saying "next day" in my edition, too. Another question, would you think Zyldav Zentral Revolutzionär Komitzät is written in Bordurian or Syldavian? Free-Tintin.net thinks it's Bordurian, since it's a Pro-Bordurian organization, although Mark Rosenfelder's guess is Syldavian. There doesn't seem to be any certain proof for either standpoint, I'd guess, and both are arguably likely. 惑乱分からん 23:57, 3 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well it isn't (partly) written in cyrillic ... I though Syldavian was known for this? If it is Bordurian however, it tells us something about the word order Rex 12:27, 4 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think Syldavian could be written both ways. Bordurian probably only/mainly with Latin (unless you interpret the Bordurian spy's cigarette box as Bordurian...) 惑乱分からん 13:43, 4 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Müsstler[edit]

At that time, the leader of the Dutch Nazis was called Mussert (who called himself "Leider", the missing "L" in the name). I do not know for sure - but could the name not also hint at him? Mussert was known in Belgium, he started in politics by successfully campaigning against Belgian-Dutch treaties on canals and water (do not know whether the Iron Rhine was involved too).

The Iron Guard of course, was a Romanian invention, but none of the names in the article there or at Principality_of_Pindus sound familiar (no "spons"). Funny how that Moldovanet page manages to turn Borduria into the Soviet Union, actually. --Pan Gerwazy 04:20, 10 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Mussert sounds possible, although a MUSSolini-hitLER portmanteau is more probable. Most of the names and words otherwise sound like spoofs of the Flemish Marols dialect. 惑乱分からん 19:03, 23 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]