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Birthplace[edit]

Until recently, this article and the article for Lakewood, Ohio indicated Hoyer's birthplace as Lakewood, Ohio. A couple days ago, an IP editor changed this article to North Olmsted and deleted the listing of Hoyer from the Lakewood article. ([1]). I confirmed Lakewood, and reverted both, with what I think are a couple pretty good sources: nfl.com ([2], "Born: 10/13/1985 Lakewood , OH") and the Cleveland Plain Dealer ([3], "Born in Lakewood and a resident of North Olmsted"). The IP editor reverted, with no sources cited, with the statement "Again he was not born in Lakewood". He or she added on my User talk:TJRC#Brian Hoyer that he remembers him being announced as born in North Olmsted during his college career. That's not much of a WP:RS, so I suggested that if he had an actual RS adding them here.

He's come up with four sources, two of which do actually support the North Olmsted birthplace: Yahoo news ("Birth Place: North Olmsted, Ohio"); and Sports Illustrated ("Born: 10/13/1985, in North Olmsted, OH"). The other two don't mention birthplace: Michigan State Football ("Hometown: North Olmsted, Ohio"); and patriots.com ("Hometown: North Olmsted, Ohio"). The Browns site also is silent on birthplace, mentioning only his hometown: [4]

So there appear to be conflicting reports on this fact.

I tend to credit the NFL site as more official, and the Plain Dealer article as being the only one to make the nuance between a home town and a birthplace. I suspect that his hometown being North Olmsted is confused with his birthplace, and reported as such.

As another factor, not that everyone is born in a hospital, but North Olmsted has no hospitals. St. John Medical Center is not far from North Olmsted, but is actually in Westlake, to the north; and Fairview Park General is in Cleveland. Lakewood Hospital, as the name implies, is in Lakewood. TJRC (talk) 21:21, 21 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

SB Nation also lists North Olmsted as Hoyer's Birthplace. As well as Fox Sports. http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/71800/brian-hoyer http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/player/brian-hoyer/672361?q=brian-hoyer — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.122.185.119 (talk) 22:02, 21 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, but I don't think we want to just pile up a bunch of web cites, especially since many probably source to one another. ESPN ([5]), CBS ([6]) and Lakewood's local paper The Patch ([7]) all say it's Lakewood, for example. The Patch admittedly might be influenced by local rah-rah, pride, and it's certainly not a major newspaper; on the other hand, it's rare for a newspaper, even a small one like this, to make it up out of nothing.

If Hoyer was both born and raised in North Olmsted, it's pretty hard to explain the many references that say he was born in Lakewood. On the other hand, if he was born in Lakewood and raised in North Olmsted, that would explain the many sources crediting him as being born in Lakewood, and the sources saying his hometown is North Olmsted, and the one article in the Plain Dealer that actually pauses to consider the distinction between those two facts; and the references to North Olmsted as his birthplace are probably miscrediting his hometown as birthplace. I don't see any explanation for the many reliable sources that say he was born in Lakewood if he was actually born (say, at home, since again, there are no hospitals in North Olmsted) in North Olmsted. TJRC (talk) 22:24, 21 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Here's another source that makes the distinction between birthplace and hometown; the Columbus Dispatch [8] ("He was born in Lakewood, was reared in North Olmsted and attended Cleveland St. Ignatius High School.") The writer here is Michael Arace, so this isn't just a case of Mary Kay Cabot's Plain Dealer article (cited above) being republished. TJRC (talk) 22:31, 21 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Hoyer's first name[edit]

The current link on the page is dead. It's available on the Internet Archive, but I don't remember how to link the archive page. Samer (talk) 04:40, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]