Talk:Bridge to Nowhere (San Gabriel Mountains)

Coordinate error

The coordinates need the following fixes:

• It's actually at 34 16 59.71 N, 117 44 48.88 W

75.84.2.135 (talk) 22:08, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

The coordinates in the article (34 16 59.8 N, 117 44 48.8 W) are less than 10 meters away from the ones you provide, and both directly pinpoint the bridge, which is more than 10 meters wide. No error exists. – jaksmata 02:16, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Spam

Removed some spam related links in the reference section. If this pops up again, we will need to report both the link recipient and the spammer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.80.64.74 (talk) 00:51, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

I have to admit I'm not sure why we're using https://www.cloud9living.com/company/aboutus.php as a source. Any comments?   Will Beback  talk  01:07, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Seems more like advertising than a legitimate reference. I recommend removing it - thoughts? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.80.64.74 (talk) 04:44, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Advertising or not, there are better sources available if need be. I'll remove it.   Will Beback  talk  12:59, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Added East Fork Trail Information

I added some information and references/citations for the trail which leads to and from the Bridge. Hopefully when obstructions, flooding, or other problems makes the trail difficult or dangerous or impassible, people will report the problems -- with GPS coordinates and photographs -- to the people who have the responsibility to maintain the trail. Damotclese (talk) 02:30, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Broken Citation

^ Fatalities, insidesocal.com, retrieved 2010-04-03

That citation is broken. I need to find a suitable, solid source to reference the fatalities due to swift water as well as the alleged bungee company-related fatality. Damotclese (talk) 21:17, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Text was removed with a comment "grammer" being corrected

I reverted the previous editor's proposed update which removed the following text with a comment suggesting it was a "grammer" fix:

In addition to steps being carved out of rock faces to improve hiking safety, trail definition being improved through removing growth and rocks along the trail, and other typical trail work, the Trailbuilders also built the John Seals Bridgeacross Laurel Gulch, utilizing helicopters, horses, mules, and many human volunteers to establish concrete footings and assemble a solid wooden crossing to ensure safe passage across the Gulch.

I don't see this removal as being related to grammar. If the editor would please explain why s/he removed the text, let's discuss the proposed removal here, please. Thanks! Damotclese (talk) 16:08, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Trail continues to be blocked at the rockfall

Another editor (unsigned) removed the commentary about the trail being blocked by a large rockfall. I have photographs of the rockfall which is still blocking the trail as well as the GPS coordinates since I'm one of the people responsible for maintaining the trail.

We acquired permission to create a temporary use trail around the obstruction and eventually when we acquire the certifications and permits needed to use explosives, the obstruction will be removed and the temporary use bypass will be blocked off. Hopefully that takes place in April of 2016. Damotclese (talk) 17:34, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

Repairs are performed during winter months

Why do the Trailbuilders wait until winter to do repairs when it is more difficult? I don't understand this sentence: "Typically trail repairs and maintenance are performed by the Trailbuilders during the Winter months when snow within the Crystal Lake Recreation Area makes trail working at higher elevations in the San Gabriel Mountains difficult and at times hazardous." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.12.169.218 (talk) 23:27, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

Looking at the volunteer organization's web site it shows that the group maintains 110 miles of trails within the Angeles National Forest, and East Fork Trail which leads to the Bridge To Nowhere (Forestry registration 238W13) comprises 5.5 miles of that overall inventory. During hot months, they work at altitude which is anywhere from 10F to 20F degrees cooler than down at 1,000 feet altitude which is the East Fork, whereas during Winter months when the upper trails are often covered in snow and/or ice, they work at lower elevations -- which includes Bear Creek Trail (Forestry registration 239W10) at 3,351 feet elevation which usually is free of ice, Ice House Canyon Trail (forestry registration 237W07A) and numerous other trails at lower elevations.

It is very difficult to do trail repairs and maintenance and to reduce potential safety hazards along trails when the trails are covered in snow and ice, and though the ground does not really get frozen in the Angeles like it does in Eastern and Northern parts of the country, the highly friable San Gabriel Granite soaks up a lot of water and expands greatly when it freezes, which makes movements of rock during cold weather more frequent than it does during warmer weather.

Access to the Bridge To Nowhere, by the way, was blocked with a massive rock fall which left a rock cornice overhang which constituted a potential safety hazard. The Trailbuilders reworked the trail as soon as the problem was reported, developing approved trail crossing to go around the obstruction in an effort to move hikers out from under the overhanging rock. So they also work on the East Fork Trail during Summer months when it's hot when there are significant safety issues. Damotclese (talk) 18:21, 19 December 2015 (UTC)