Talk:Bronx–Whitestone Bridge

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Article name[edit]

The article's title should be moved to Bronx-Whitestone Bridge. It is listed as this way on the MTA's website link. The bridge connects The Bronx to Whitestone, Queens, which would denote a hyphen in the bridge's name. Users unfamiliar with the bridge might think "Bronx" and "Whitestone" have a similarity not withstanding the bridge. --Zimbabweed 22:14, 5 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That same MTA also referes to it without the hyphen on their main page for the bridge [1]. Based on google searches, they seem to be used interchangably. Cacophony 04:33, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'll just add a Bronx-Whitestone Bridge page that redirects here...problem solved Jgcarter 22:47, 20 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"The RPA had also said that the Whitestone Bridge should have rail connections, or at least be able to accommodate them in the future, but had no allies on the project, to Moses' relief." What is the RPA? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.42.208.185 (talk) 17:38, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Reviewer: The Rambling Man (talk · contribs) 10:57, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]


Comments great article.

  • Don't need that reference in the lead, the only one. It's expanded upon in the main body, it's not a direct quote, it's fine to leave it to later.
  • " by Othmar Ammann and " unusual name, perhaps introduce as "Swiss-American architect"?
  • "and the bridge was widened " no need to say "bridge" just after you've already said 'bridge'.
  • "was also renovated in 1988–1991. " any ideas why? I know it's just the lead but it might be nice to know why here.
  • " the MTA Bridges and Tunnels," reads very odd to my ENGVAR ears, I would drop the "the", but I guess you can counter that with TIES?
  • "he bridge has a total length of 3,700 feet" not according to the infobox.
  • "735 feet (224 m) Thus, " missing a period.
  • "art deco" is normally "Art Deco".
  • "an art deco streamlined " would imagine that to be hyphenated.
  • "1988-1991[9][10] and in 2003-2005." en-dashes for those year ranges.
  • Be consistent on how you (pipe)link "The Bronx".
  • "53 feet and" convert.
  • "incorporated in 1909[20] and two " awkward and jarring ref placement, just send it to the end of the sentence.
  • "New York" is piped to a redirect.
  • "cost $25 million to construct" inflate to modern terms, I imagine it would be mind-boggling.
  • Don't pipe Triborough Bridge to a redirect back to itself.
  • "The Triborough Bridge Authority.." Use the abbreviation you gave us last section.
  • "had beat out the " "beat out" seems poor tone, why not just "beaten" or something less colloquial?
  • Could link Groundbreaking?
  • " led by Mayor La Guardia" just check with MOS:BIO if we need to capitalise mayor here.
  • lamppost or lamp post?
  • "San Francisco–Oakland Bay Bridge.[62][4][5]:115 " order.
  • Be consistent with the format of your refs to the World Fair.
  • "The Tacoma Narrows Bridge employed " we can just go with "It employed".
  • "led to a misconception" are we sure? did it really just lead to a "belief"?
  • Huge reliance on the word "would" which becomes sometimes painfully repetitive, when all you're doing is talking about the past tense. Mix it up a bit.
  • "completed by 2007.[104][64] " ref order.
  • "started in 2008[106][64] " ditto (but avoid such horrible placement).
  • "he Queens approach, which cost $109 million,[109] was completed in May 2015,[107] During the renovation of the Queens " repetitive again.
  • [136][111] order.
  • Unspaced end-dashes in that table.
  • Don't quote a range when a range doesn't exist!
  • How is $9.50 in 2019 $8.69 yet in the April 2019 row be just $9.50?
  • Link to NY Portal is a dab.
  • Avoid SHOUTING in ref titles.
  • Avoid spaced hyphens (they should be en-dashes) in ref titles.

That's my first run through. It's a great article. I imagine someone else coming in assessing it against the baseline GAN would just pass it. I'm sorry to give you more than that, but this could easily run at FAC. I hope some of the comments I have help should you decide to take this further. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 20:53, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@The Rambling Man: Thanks for the review. I've solved most of these, except for the following:
  • Unspaced end-dashes in that table. - I will fix these soon. Just have to go over the articles with similar tables with AWB.
  • Don't quote a range when a range doesn't exist! - How do you mean?
  • That was a typo (wrong year in one of the templates). It is now fixed. epicgenius (talk) 15:44, 23 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • How is $9.50 in 2019 $8.69 yet in the April 2019 row be just $9.50? - That must be a mistake. $8.50 in 2017 is equal to $8.69 today, and that's how the table reads.

epicgenius (talk) 01:44, 23 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@The Rambling Man: Do you have any further comments on this nomination? epicgenius (talk) 15:48, 26 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know right now, I'm on holiday (hence the notice on my talkpage) so I'm really only getting time to do easy things like review main page items, and then I fall asleep. I should be back in the saddle much more enthusiastically in a few days time, apologies for keeping your waiting. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 19:29, 26 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I got some quiet time before I fall asleep! More than happy with the changes, I'd like to see this at FAC, it's easily good enough, but in the meantime I'll pass it to GA. Nice work. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 20:16, 28 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:26, 13 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Improved to Good Article status by Epicgenius (talk). Self-nominated at 23:57, 28 August 2019 (UTC).[reply]

substantial article on good sources, offline sourcs accepted AGF, no copyvio obvious. I wonder why the article name isn't the common name. How about an image here? - I can approve the hook, one a qpq has ben provided, but would prefer something else. Why mention "nearby highways", for example? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:08, 2 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: My read of the two references states that lampposts on the Whitestone Bridge were the first appearance of a specific model, later called Whitestone, whereas the lights on other highways - intended to guide drivers to the World's Fair - were amber globes. The hook and ALT1 - as written - imply that the same lampposts were on the bridge and the other roads. Not true. David notMD (talk) 01:00, 3 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Technically the amber globes were placed on both the Whitestone Bridge lampposts and the other highway's lampposts. I've changed it anyway. epicgenius (talk) 20:49, 4 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thhank you. I like ALT2 best, as more about this bridge than the others. If found too lengthy we could still say:
ALT2a:... that the Bronx–Whitestone Bridge's stiffening trusses accounted for a quarter of the weight held up by its suspension cables?
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:34, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I am still not sure about Whitestone Bridge, even as article title, but if not that then in the hook, because I bet that is the name people will know. Unless you want to teach the other ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:36, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

LIRR Whitestone Branch as a predecessor[edit]

One line regarding predecessors of the bridge;

"The idea for a crossing between Ferry Point at Clason Point, Bronx, and Whitestone Point at Whitestone, Queens, was first proposed in 1905 by real estate speculators who wanted to develop Whitestone."

However in the late 19th Century, there was also the Whitestone and Westchester Railroad (originally a subsidiary of the Flushing and North Side Railroad), which was conceived as a potential crossing to the Bronx that was never built. I don't know if this was supposed to involve a ferry or a bridge, but the line that became the former LIRR Whitestone Branch was intended to cross the East River long before 1905. ---------User:DanTD (talk) 13:18, 13 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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