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Semi-protected edit request on 12 October 2016


Can you please fix up the IMDb link in the external links section?

Thanks.

206.45.9.182 (talk) 04:37, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

 Not done The link is not broken. - Mlpearc (open channel) 04:42, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 October 2016

Bruce Lee engaged in many street fights in Hong Kong. He also learned the Jing Wu sets after trading it for cha-cha lessons from shao han sheng a jing Wu graduate. - The complete book of Yi Quan

2600:1017:B82C:CC52:2CB6:C498:CB42:DA84 (talk) 00:07, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Mlpearc Phone (open channel) 00:08, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 October 2016

2600:1017:B82C:853C:29EC:95B6:C129:2B17 (talk) 02:01, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

Not done: Empty request - Mlpearc (open channel) 02:09, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 11 November 2016

The page is not accurate. He began learning Wing chun at age 13 not "age 16, in 1957" which is actually impossible because he was born in 1940. He began learning Wing chun at age 13 in 1953 when William Chueng took Lee to the Restaurant Workers Union Hall, and introduced him to Yip Man.

"Cheung did not believe that Lee would be a serious student. Lee persisted, and with some reluctance on an autumn day in 1953, Cheung took Bruce Lee to the Restaurant Workers’ Union Hall, where classes were held, and introduced him to the Grandmaster of Wing Chun kung fu, Professor Yip Man."

“I thought he was just learning kung fu because everybody was doing it. I still didn’t take Bruce very seriously. Then, shortly after we moved the school to a bigger facility in Kowloon, we started hearing complaints about Bruce beating up his seniors, as well as other people who were training with him. They became very upset because he was progressing so fast. He practiced every minute of the day. Even while talking, he was always doing some kind of arm or leg movement. That’s when I realized that Bruce was actually serious about Wing Chun.”

http://www.cheungswingchun.com/g/10410/bruce-lee-william-cheung---the-early-years.html

2600:1017:B82E:2B94:C1EF:4E06:6A5F:560A (talk) 04:46, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. 🔯 Sir Joseph 🍸(talk) 20:09, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

Contradicting information in Wing Chun section

In the Wing Chun section the following sentences contradict each other.

"Lee began training in Wing Chun when he was 16 years old under the Wing Chun teacher Yip Man in 1957, after losing several fights with rival gang members."

"However, Lee showed a keen interest in Wing Chun, and continued to train privately with Yip Man and Wong Shun Leung in 1955."

If he began training in 1957 he could not have continued training in 1955.

Dylanseago (talk) 17:36, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

Bruce Lee is english descent

If his parent were citizens of Hong Kong before it was returned to China in 1997 then Lee would have been a British citizen by birth. As also is Jackie Chan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.149.173.13 (talk) 14:34, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

Photo captionsed "Bruce Lee and his family"

Photo captioned "Bruce Lee and his family, when he was a child" is incorrectly captioned. This is a still from the 1953 movie, "The Good Mother's Tears" (電影【慈母淚】(1953)劇照) as published in the Chinese Wikipedia, https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%9D%8E%E5%B0%8F%E9%BE%99 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeremysc (talk • contribs) 14:12, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

Philosophically suicidal

He and his son died by their dangerous job. Eclecticism is to select what you LIKE the best, but is not connected causally, never in his books was he deeply causal, but emotional, because what we like IS emotional. Mistake which happens two times isn't a mistake. His philosophy isn't functional. Also as a pure eclectic philosopher caused his followers not to accept philosophical debate, simply to LOVE him as God, even if he was anti-metaphysical. Philosophy isn't about what we LIKE and LOVE, that's lust. Physical risk and early death, isn't statistically functional. His risks didn't improve philosophy. Early death cannot make you savvy, especially when there is no god as he claimed. People need to be alive in order they learn. He didn't die because of an external factor. He killed himself and his son, because his "put in what you like" uncausal philosophy, lead to statistically high risk of mortal physical damage. Also that risk was ALSO accumulative not only a binary risk between life and death. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:587:4104:7800:756D:3D0C:F4DC:4F05 (talk) 13:38, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

Please keep your comments on the Talk page about the article itself. The Talk pages are not where you should share your opinions about Bruce Lee's death and philosophy, Karl Popper's views on metaphysics, or poetry about transparency. Ichi shiroi tora (talk) 09:08, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

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Cold Blooded Murdered

Bruce lee was murdered in cold blood for teaching non asians marital art, after he was told not to teach non asians their form if fighting. WolfLover (talk) 06:15, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

10th Degree black belt in Jeet kune Do

As the founder of Jeet Kune Do and originator of the System of Fighting he should be listed as a 10th Dan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:805:4201:1737:28DD:F92:63E9:4899 (talk) 04:01, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 July 2017

49.207.180.199 (talk) 09:47, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 11:50, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Opening stats...

"actor, film director, martial artist, philosopher[4] and founder of the martial art Jeet Kune Do". That s true. But if it calls "actor, film director", it should in my opinion also call "martial artist, martial arts instructor" because he was all of it. He was actor and film director, but also martial artist and martial arts instructor. I would like to add it (if not wished just delet it again). Cheers --Niten Doraku (talk) 22:26, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

"Lee held dual nationality in Hong Kong and the US"

Something is bogus about this article, because at that time dual nationality was not allowed under U.S. law. He was born in the USA and had a U.S. passport, so obviously he was a U.S. citizen and COULD NOT be any other.Starhistory22 (talk) 00:56, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

@Starhistory22: Your reliable source to support all this is ? - FlightTime (open channel) 01:41, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

@Starhistory22 Actually, he could have had dual citizenship for the simply reason that the US INS does not check if you renounced your former citizenship. All Bruce Lee had to do was keep his old Hong Kong passport and not inform the (British) colonial government that he is no longer a Hong Kong citizen. As long as he presented his US passport when dealing with US bureaucrats and Hong Kong passport with Hong Kong bureaucrats, neither government would ever know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.230.237.47 (talk) 07:58, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

Why no mention of Bruce's Hayward, CA, club?

I've read that since the Oakland location was not financially successful, they started training in James' garage. When did they open (and close?) the Hayward location? https://localwiki.org/oakland/Bruce_Lee Or was that something James and Novak did on their own, without Bruce's involvement? Phantom in ca (talk) 19:19, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

Were Taky and James certified to teach JKD or not?

In the 2nd table under "Martial arts lineage" it says "Certified by Bruce Lee as instructors of Jeet Kune Do" and then list Taky, James and Dan. Yet earlier in "Legacy" under "Certified Instructors" it says that Dan was certified to be an instructor in JKD (3rd rank), but that Taky was a 5th rank in Jun Fan Gung Fu and James was a 3rd rank (instructor) in Jun Fan Gung Fu. Neither section has footnote/s supporting those assertions. Were Taky and/or James certified to teach JKD or only Jun Fan Gung Fu? Phantom in ca (talk) 22:26, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

Conflicting dates for JKD

This article, under "Martial Arts Career" and "Jeet Kune Do" says, "Jeet Kune Do originated in 1967." But in the opening paragraph of the Wiki "Jeet Kune Do" article, it says "Lee, who founded the system on July 9, 1969...." Neither statement has a footnote supporting it. My guess is that 1967 is when it was conceived and 1969 July 09 is when it was named JKD. But that is just a guess. Phantom in ca (talk) 02:10, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

"The Warrior", Bruce's "Kung Fu"-like TV series, has been approved for 10 episodes...

and will be called just "Warrior." http://deadline.com/2017/06/bruce-lee-warrior-tong-wars-drama-series-cinemax-justin-lin-jonathan-tropper-1202108759/

Something for someone to add to the main article and maybe his Wiki filmography article. Phantom in ca (talk) 06:02, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

"Bruce Lee's Tao of Chinese Gung Fu"?

Under Legacy, "Certified Instructors" it says "Bruce Lee personally certified only three instructors: Taky Kimura, James Yimm Lee, and Dan Inosanto. Inosanto holds the 3rd rank (Instructor) directly from Bruce Lee in Jeet Kune Do, Jun Fan Gung Fu, and Bruce Lee's Tao of Chinese Gung Fu. Taky Kimura holds a 5th rank in Jun Fan Gung Fu. James Yimm Lee held a 3rd rank in Jun Fan Gung Fu. Ted Wong holds 2nd rank in Jeet Kune Do certified directly by Bruce Lee...." (emphasis added)

Under "Martial Arts Career" there are subsections titled "Jun Fan Gung Fu" and later "Jeet Kune Do" but there is no mention of "Bruce Lee's Tao of Chinese Gung Fu."

What was/is "Bruce Lee's Tao of Chinese Gung Fu"? When did Bruce teach/practice it? What distinguishes it from "Jun Fan Gung Fu" and "Jeet Kune Do"? Since it was worthy of its own teaching certificate, shouldn't it be mentioned in the "Martial Arts Career" section? Phantom in ca (talk) 19:06, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

Hmm Abdul Rehman7861 (talk) 10:06, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

As I understand it, the Tao of Chinese Gung Fu was a continuation of Bruce's development in the martial arts from Wing Chun/Jun Fan Gung Fu. There were three categories to Bruce's developments: Jun Fan Gung Fu, an extension from Wing Chun, taught in the schools and had a structured curriculum. Tao of Chinese Gung Fu was taught to private students and was a middle step between JFGF and JKD. Jeet Kune Do was the final development Bruce was able develop, only taught to private students.173.13.121.209 (talk) 16:01, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 March 2018 (Change photo)

I am requesting that Lee's profile picture be changed to a more tough one, please. I mean, c'mon, make it more badass. Own it. Yogisruses (talk) 05:02, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: While he is agreeably a badass, we're limited by our options. The main picture on a WP:BLP should be free of copyright restrictions. You can peruse the current free Bruce Lee pictures at commons:Category:Bruce Lee — this appears to be the best picture in terms of actually seeing him. I imagine more badass pictures are under copyright protection. ~ Amory (u • t • c) 13:52, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

How do I make an edit of the death section if it is locked?

I want to add some information with citations that has been left off. Dawudbryant (talk) 23:17, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Edit requests - FlightTime (open channel) 23:19, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

Cha cha champion?

There's a very annoying radio advert in the UK currently that claims that Bruce Lee won a cha cha dancing competition in Hong Kong in his early years. Is there any evidence for this claim, and, if so, should the accomplishment be added to the article? JezGrove (talk) 20:18, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 April 2019

Incorrect usage of Simplified Chinese for his native name. Hong Kong uses Traditional Chinese, and the last character of his name should be 龍 instead of the Simplified version character 龙.

Source: His gravestone https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Lee#/media/File:Bruce_Lee_1.JPG Balflear8 (talk) 12:31, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

 Done Gangster8192 01:48, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

Award

Why only bruce got `hero of the century' award? Sandeephindwal (talk) 07:22, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 May 2019: Bruce Lee tribute books

  • The Way of a Collector : Bruce Lee and I - by Lionel Boulet.
  • The Treasures of Bruce Lee: The Official Story of the Legendary Martial Artist - by Paul Bowman and Shannon Lee.
  • Bruce Lee between Wing Chun and Jeet Kune Do - by Jesse Glover.
  • Bruce Lee : A Life - by Matthew Polly. BLWIK (talk) 23:40, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
 Not done: We don't indiscriminately list every tribute to Lee, only those shown to be notable. NiciVampireHeart 09:31, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

In the article, it says under Certified Instructors: " Inosanto holds the 3rd rank (Instructor) directly from Bruce Lee in Jeet Kune Do, Jun Fan Gung Fu, and Bruce Lee's Tao of Chinese Gung Fu." In the Martial Art World 1990s interview of Inosanto by Rick Tucci, Dan says he had those certifications, in "three separate arts," by the time the LA school opened in Feb 1967. See ~1 min 35 sec in of Part 1 of 4 at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JbQwbZDeb8

IIRC, Steve McQueen had earned a Level 1 in "The Tao of Chinese Gung Fu."

Given that, I think the main article, which talks about Jun Fan Gung Fu and JKD in the Martial Arts Career section, should also describe "The Tao of Chinese Gung Fu" (at minimum what makes it a distinct art from the other two). Phantom in ca (talk) 21:05, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Pallbearers

At Lee's funeral it is often said that actors Chuck Norris and George Lazenby were part of his pallbearers. According to the citation, pallbearers at Lee's funeral on July 25, 1973, included Taky Kimura, Steve McQueen, James Coburn, Dan Inosanto, Peter Chin, and Lee's brother Robert.

Norris and Lazenby are seen in photos of Lee's funeral and were present, but not in the pallbearer photo. I would gladly keep their name here as attendees, if a proper citations shows up.Filmman3000 (talk) 00:43, 8 November 2019 (UTC)

There is no reliable source that Gene Lebell and Ed Parker were Bruce's trainers

The claims that Gene Lebell and Ed Parker were Bruce's trainers under the 'trainer' section of this article are not backed up by any reliable source.

Such contents should be remove to ensure the content about a passed-away person remains neutral and fair, and is not abased on private opinion or 3rd party statement, since any person who is no longer alive is not able to defend himself about what is written down on an article about him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Content Protection (talk • contribs) 04:14, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

  • I agree it is often talked about in talk shows, but no official publication on it. It be nice to have. There is probably a published interview out there.Filmman3000 (talk) 00:47, 8 November 2019 (UTC)

Unsourced addintions

I have removed a lot of unsourced addition from the past fee months. Will try to find some sources to fill in where {{fact}} tags are.--Moxy 🍁 00:04, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

Wally Jay

Wally Jay, who Bruce was known to have trained with in Jujitsu is not included anywhere in this article.

Bruce is listed as one of Wally Jay's students in Wally Jay's wikipedia article here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.9.106.107 (talk) 03:44, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

Find a citation I guess and it will be included.Filmman3000 (talk) 02:06, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

footnote is misqouted in wiki text

Please edit: "...the most influential martial artist of all time" to "...most famous martial arts movie actor of all time." per the footnote given in [8] The Greatest Martial Artists of All Time. Liveabout. May 24, 2019. 2601:643:8104:42A0:83B:7046:AF26:44AA (talk) 04:16, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 May 2020

Change "Lee is best known as a martial artist, but he also studied drama and Asian and Western philosophy while a student at the University of Washington and throughout his life." to "While best known as a martial artist, Lee also studied drama and Asian and Western philosophy starting while a student at the University of Washington." Dtweg (talk) 23:45, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

 Question: Why is this change needed, grammatically or whatever? Eumat114 formerly TLOM (Message) 04:12, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
Eumat114, I think he's requesting it because it sounds less awkward. QueerFilmNerdtalk 18:23, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
 Done Interstellarity (talk) 14:22, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 June 2020

Bruce Lee was born in 1941, not 1940 as I along with millions seen this on the ESPN documentary “Be Water” and his true last name was t Lee as you stated is the fAmily last name. Lee is his fathers first name. 24.180.152.65 (talk) 01:15, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. --allthefoxes (Talk) 00:41, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

Spelling mistake

The fourth paragraph of the article says "When the doctors announced bjs death", when it should say "his death" instead. Loafiewa (talk) 17:23, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

Advertising

Johnnie Walker made an advertisement featuring a cgi rendering of Lee In 2013. I think this is worth mentioning in the “advertisement” tab. GarydalfTheRed (talk) 02:12, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 August 2020

Please be clear on Bruce's identity. If the Bio portion. It states that Bruce was "Chinese" when in fact he was American by birth. Although her was indeed raised in Asia until turning 18, he lived in Hong Kong which was a British colony until 1997. Therefore, I suggest that editors clarify to readers accurately by explaining that Bruce was indeed American and Hong Kongese aka Hong Kong resident under British occupation. He was NEVER officially a Chinese citizen or resident even when living in Hong Kong. IF editors would like to include Bruce's Chinese identity, that is fine, however please clarify that although his families ancestral linage goes back to China similar to how my lineage goes back to Ireland,like me Bruce was American. He did appeal to Chinese philosophies such as Taoism for example. But I am a Taoist too and that doesn't make me Chinese. Please consider these nuances.

https://brucelee.com/bruce-lee

Lee, Bruce. Tao of Jeet Kune Do. Burbank, CA: Ohara Publications, 1975. Print. 2016. Zjsavage (talk) 23:50, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

@Zjsavage: Where exactly does it say he's Chinese? The lead says "Hong Kong American", while the infobox lists both Hong Kong and United States. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 13:15, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

Regarding his height

Every reference that I've seen has listed lee at 5'7, and a couple at 5'6. He is quoted his own height at 5'7 1/2. Why would the article list him at 5'8? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.188.185.139 (talk) 23:49, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 October 2020

Submitting to add 'an allergic reaction to the tranquilizer meprobamate, the main ingredient in Equagesic' to the main text box since all it says it that Equagesic was in his system. I think it would concisely give how he died Benjadams (talk) 21:44, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

 Not done. There's nothing about "Equagesic" in the infobox; all it says is that the cause of death was cerebral edema. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 22:55, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 February 2021

The word "taught" in the sentence "After befriending accomplished grappler Gene LeBell on the set of The Green Hornet, Lee offered to taught him striking arts in exchange for being taught judo and wrestling techniques." should be changed to "teach". The first instance of the word "taught" here should be changed to "teach", but the second instance of the word "taught" in this sentence should be left alone, as this is grammatically correct. Rafafaithfullhigonnet (talk) 13:48, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

To editor Rafafaithfullhigonnet:  done, and good catch – thank you very much! P.I. Ellsworth  ed. put'r there 14:24, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 February 2021

Include World Champion martial artist Conor McGregor in the listed individuals prefaced by “Numerous sports and entertainment figures have cited Lee as an inspiration,” in the Legacy tab. Conor McGregor has made several statements about the influence Bruce Lee had/has on his life in fighting and philosophy. The relation between Conor McGregor and Bruce Lee’s credible attributes in martial arts, social impact, and preeminence is notable at least. Along with the probability that Conor has mentioned Bruce Lee as a source of inspiration and respect....more so than any other athlete of all time....and has accomplished the unparalleled success with that influence...speaks to the legacy of Bruce.

www.sportskeeda.com/amp/mma/news-conor-mcgregor-reacts-compared-bruce-lee

www.mediareferee.com/2020/01/18/add-and-subtract-bruce-lee-style-conor-mcgregor-opens-up-about-analysing-opponents-similar-to-legendary-martial-artist/amp/

https://www.sportbible.com/ufc/news-legends-conor-mcgregor-claimed-bruce-lee-could-have-been-an-mma-world-champion-20200110.amp.html

https://youtube.com/KaSoQ_0Owxg

https://youtube.com/a3z4mJaIXC4

LionTribeMac (talk) 23:45, 16 February 2021 (UTC) LionTribeMac (talk) 23:45, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

He's already mentioned in the Legacy section. If there's something specific you want please provide the actual text. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:46, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

I changed Wong Jack Man and Wong Shun Leung to Wong Jack-man and Wong Shun-leung

The reason is because it has more or less adopted in the western world to write chinese and korean given names, which mostly consist of two symbols, either with hyphen or together, not as two single words. Go here on Wiki for Wong Fei-hung, Lee Hoi-chuen, Hwang Jang-lee, Huo Yuanjia and others. Best regards --Alleingänger (talk) 12:14, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Jeet Kune Do

At one point the article states that Jeet Kune Do originated in 1967, but when discussing his demonstrations at the Longbeach Karate Tournament it states he showcase JKD in 64 and 67. So when did JKD started to develop? Some sources state he began to develop it after the Wong Jack Man fight. Can somebody clarify? Also from what I've heard he closed down his schools when he left for Hong Kong (1971?) but allowed Dan Inosanto and others to continue teaching. If that is the case, did he leave anything behind (other than his movies) e.g. notes, videos, lessons attesting how he further developed JKD between 1971 and 1973? In other words, does anybody know what Bruce Lee incorporated in his arsenal? 2001:BB6:78A5:C600:7D91:889F:9B2:1A6A (talk) 22:46, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

At 1964 Longbeach (before Jackman encounter), Lee demos Jun Fan Gung Fu, which was his systemized martial art from 1962. It was this systemized martial art's flaws that made Bruce Lee create the "philosphy of Jeet Kune Do". Lee defacto outlined the concept of Jeet Kune Do in 1965 and dejure demonstrated it to public in 1967.[1][2] |source=}} And JKD techniques didn't "develop" since it's inception, it's a philosophy - Lee absorbed what he deemed was useful and rejected what was useless and hoped to use JKD as mentality to encourage others to do the same, not to just follow the creed of singular martial art. What his senior students teach are their takes/their systems based on Lee's technique and teachings - like Inosanto teaches his own "JKD Concepts" system and Kimura tried to preserve Jun Fan Gung Fu at it's original form pre-JKD. See the Jeet Kune Do entry.TrickShotFinn (talk) 06:57, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ https://www.blurb.com/b/10483726-original-jeet-kune-do-quarterly-magazine-issue-11 "Exclusive Interview Original Bruce Lee Student James French"
  2. ^ Lee, Bruce (September 1971), "Liberate Yourself From Classical Karate", Black Belt Magazine, vol. 9, no. 9, Rainbow Publications, Inc., p. 24.
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