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Buri/Bavari[edit]

Hello 66.235.44.73, that is quite an interesting thought. These might be some early floating Bavarians, before the name became fixed on the current region. Bavaria, of course, comes from the name of the Celtic Boii, but they seem to have fled en masse before the onslaught of the Marcomanni and Quadi. Their former home was then named Bohemia and Bavaria in one form or another by the Germanics settling there. So, one might assume that some Bouroi were Germanic and not Celtic. The Greek would seem to have the required w in the form of a u. I don't see the etymology in the Wikipedia article on Bavaria (yet) but the name underwent quite a few alterations before it settled down to Bavaria. It would be tough to say exactly how it got to bouroi, whether Ptolemy was using Greek bou- "cow" or some abbreviated form of *Boiowar. Boii of course means the people of kine, parallel (W)itali. I think the suggestion is good enough to be in here in proper format not just as an Italicised comment. It's a suggestion, of course, not a certainty. And, I think YOU ought to do it, as you made the suggestion. If you care enough to have thought that much about it perhaps you care enough to go a little further. I look forward in the not too distant future to seeing your suggestion written up nicely. Best of luck.Dave 05:59, 25 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Boiovari[edit]

Boiovari (inhabitants of the Boii land) -> Baiuvari -> Bavari —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.4.130.211 (talk • contribs)

It's looks like the Celtic Boii have given their name to the Germanic Bavarians and the Slavic Bohemians (the Czechs). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.4.130.211 (talk • contribs)

I suspect the Buri (Bouroi) = Bauari = Bavari = Bavarians. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.4.130.211 (talk • contribs)

In modern Scandinavian word for peasant,farmer is bo-nde combination of verb bo:to live ,to inhabit and Scandinavia ending -nde . If we take this Germanic root bo and create a noun with popular Germanic ending for nouns related to men's occupation : -er it would be bo-er .Which is exactly Bayer-/engl. Bavaria/ ,don't you agree.Since Swedish originate from middle Sweden it obviously could not be influenced by any continental Celts,yet Swedish easily can be used to comprehend the etymological root and meaning of word Bayer . Maybe Swedish is too foreign for many,but anyone educated in school at least knows Dutch word for settlers in South Africa and Ceylon-Boer (pronounced /ˈbʊər/, /ˈboʊ.ər/, or /ˈbɔər/; Afrikaans: [ˈbuːr]) is the Dutch word for farmer . Etymologically related .So, please, spare that Celtic agenda - for this word is as Germanic as it can be. Edelward (talk) 12:08, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Error in text?[edit]

The text reads: "Ptolemy, however, mentions the Lougoi Bouroi (transliterated by the scholars into Latin Lugi Buri)". Actually, according to this Greek source the actual Greek is "οῦγοι οἱ Βοῦποι" which should read "Lougoi oi Broupoi" I think. Ori Redler 15:01, 18 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Buri[edit]

Leave the poor Buri alone! They're all dead now, anyways...!

And let's leave linguistics and etymology to historical linguists.

Bouroi has to be read as būri (as was done by the Latin writers). There is no diphthong there, least of all a palatal one (i.e. with an ɪ in it). The -varii formations are commonplace in ancient ethnonyms, and if there had been such a formation of "inhabitants of Buri lands", it would have been *burovarii. Their name is quite certainly not the origin of the name Bavaria.

The Bouroi bow off stage verily indeed. They disappear from the record (which is, for ancient peoples, a fairly common thing to do). Unfortunately, this stays true, even if one very proud citizen of Terras de Bouro does what has been done by legions of pundits: taking a more or less homonymous term from Antiquity and using it to give a modern term some of the glamour of the ancients. This happens a lot, among others to the Boii who were claimed by the Bowyer family as ancestors (I kid you not!). I will gladly accept an etymology based on ancient records mentioning Bouroi/Buri in Lusitania, but not one solely based on one scholar's regional pride. So please include some evidence for that theory, if there be any. Trigaranus (talk) 23:28, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"I will gladly accept an etymology based on ancient records mentioning Bouroi/Buri in Lusitania" You will never find one, not in Lusitania .

Appaling comment, who ever said Terras do Bouro are in Lusitania ? The sarmatian Alans settled in Lusitania not the Buri. A bit upper north, please! Terras de Bouro are in Gallaecia where the suebi ( Quadi and Marcomanni) and the Hasdings vandals settled with the Buri and, after the vandal defeat, became the Suebic Kingdom of Galicia. That was before they were conquered by the visigoths and became part of the Visigothic Kingdom. What glamour is there with the Buri? Hardly known, hardly spoken, and disappeared from history very quickly! As if there were not enough native tribes and more ancient in "lusitania " from the celtici to the Conii who have a lot more "glamour" only because are better known. The source is a published book by the city council not just one "scolar regional pride". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.214.239.173 (talk • contribs)

Trigaranus, the references you dismiss are cited in other academic papers, such as Alberto Ferreiro (1), "The Visigoths in Gaul and Spain, A.D. 418-711: a bibliography", Brill, 1988. They are, therefore, credible sources. The Ogre (talk) 16:36, 23 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Buri in Portugal?[edit]

After Tacitus, this Germanic tribe is no longer mentioend anywhere in history. No ancient historian has ever recorded that this Germanic tribe migrated anywhere. Datarune (talk) 04:35, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Please see the sources. It does not all end with Tacitus and ancient historians. The Ogre (talk) 13:22, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The source, as mentioned before by you, seems to be a publication by a local city council? That does not really seem to be a good source. Has the idea been picked up anywhere in academia? What historical records is this based on?--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 14:09, 26 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Proto-Turkic Börü/Böri (wolf)[edit]

>Russ. бирюк UzunbacakAdem (talk) 14:02, 26 December 2022 (UTC)Uzunbacak Adem[reply]

Just because two words sound similar does not mean they have a common origin. On Wikipedia we only publish proposals which have been published already in reliable sources.--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 14:10, 26 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]