Talk:Carroll Baker

"Karolina Piekarski"?

Where does this information stem from? Hollywood.com described her parents as William and Virginia Baker.[1] Her birth name is listed as just "Carroll Baker" in several sourcess. IMDB had that too, but recently changed it to "Karolina", following our lead. NNDB recently created a profile for her, also using our info, and also putting her name as that. Does anyone have a good source or was this someone's idea of a joke? JackO'Lantern 03:17, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Yahoo Movies, which is also very reliable and mercifully, not fan submitted, does not list that as her birth name, and also says her parents were "William and Virginia Baker".[2] I think we've been had... JackO'Lantern 03:24, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm glad you also saw that...I'm confused, too. Here's another site, which actually calls her Katolina Piekarski [3]. Weird... Michael 21:05, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

That last one (yours) is a "some guy's website" as far as I can see.... Well, see the Pol-American discussion page Mad Jack 21:06, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

I know that. Michael 22:18, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

• BTW - it is likely that her father changed the family name to Baker to assimilate in the US. (Marilu Henner's father did this too) Piekarski derives from a word piekarz or piekaz meaning baker in Polish.--68.127.163.235 06:44, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

What is this crap? No reliable source, why is it here? 66.81.244.167 (talk) 07:10, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

I've added further down that her birth name is Carol Baker and not Karolina Piekarski. I don't know where that came from but it's not correct and should be removed. She has no Polish ancestry. Her father's name was William Baker and her mother's name was Gertrude Duffy. https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KQ4G-1LQ

We need another link to another Carroll Baker

CARROLL BAKER. CANADA'S FIRST LADY OF COUNTRY

Carroll Baker was born March 4th in Bridgewater, Nova Scotia to parents Jordan {Gordon} and Ida {Iverna} Baker. She was the last child to be born and has three brothers, Fordan, Truman, and Willis, and two sisters, Barbara and Rosemary.

It was through one of their friends that she was encouraged to get up and sing at a local bar in Oakville with the band and the rest they say is history. She worked with the band on weekends and then was invited to do a live radio show at the Hayloft Jamboree in Markham, Ontario. It was there that a sculptor, George Petralia, heard her and convinced both she and her husband to record a song he had written. She travelled to Thunder Bay Ontario where she met Don Grashey who produced her records and managed her career from the beginning until the late nineteen eighties. Mr Grashey along with his partner Chuck Williams were the driving forces behind the lady with the big voice, filled with the emotion that only seasoned perfomers were supposed to have. Mr. Grashey would often comment that feeling was something that you either had or you didn't. It could not be learned he would say and boast that she had more feeling in her voice than anyone he had ever heard. Having produced many other artists and one as great as Loretta Lynn, he felt qualified to make that statement. [4] --Son of Maryann Rosso and Arthur Natale Squitti 22:56, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Picture

I just uploaded a picture which I now see is, ugh, disappointing. Stil, it is better than nothing. Will try to get a better one. --Mantanmoreland 16:47, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

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GA Review

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Reviewer: onel5969 (talk · contribs) 21:49, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

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In process, will finish it today or tomorrow.

1. Is it reasonably well written?

   A. Prose is "clear and concise", without copyvios, or spelling and grammar errors:

   Concise, well-written, proper grammar, no spelling errors. Two Issues: 1) last sentence in second paragraph in the Early life section is awkwardly written, due to the sequence of places (I'd probably put Windsor, Ontario last to fix the problem): 2) the article is about an American actress, so the grammar should follow American English - there are several instances where British English is used (e.g. theatre, programme).

   B. MoS compliance for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and lists:

   The lead is very well written, and representative of the article as a whole. The article's entire structure is very well laid-out, with logical breaks and smooth transitions. Issue - the lead and the body of the article appear to be at odds in one aspect: her discovery. How can Kazan have "discovered" her on Broadway, when she had already been in several films, including a major role in Giant?

2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?

   A. Has an appropriate reference section:

   No issues.

   B. Cites reliable sources, where necessary:

   I didn't check every citation link, but those I audited contained no dead links, although the YouTubeinterview appears to no longer work (but that could be my laptop, sometimes it has issues with YouTube - but you should check it). However, regarding citations, this is where the most work is needed. There appear to be several facts which should (imho) be cited:

   Early career - 1) Dumont network credit; 2) the Tennessee Williams fact (might be in the YouTube video I can't bring up); 3) the line about her notoriety before Baby Doll's opening also should have a cite.

   Contract battles - 1) Bridge to the Sun reaction should be cited; 2) 'Come on Strong theater credit should be cited; not sure if the Life Cover should have a citation, but it would be nice.

   Sex symbol - Cheyenne Autumn as last Western should be cited, else it appears to be OR.

   European career - the reason for the move to Europe does not appear to be supported by the citation at the end of the following sentence; her intro to Marco Ferreri needs a citation.

   Return to American film - 1) citation for return to theater (in fact, the citation following the next sentence seems to contradict that BB&C was in the UK); 2) John Hough's admiration needs a citation.

   Box-office successes - no citations needed, but the last sentence of the first paragraph doesn't make sense. Use of the word "sporadically", followed by the scope of her work doesn't mesh.

   Retirement - this section is almost wholly uncited. Both of the first paragraphs should have some references to back up the facts contained therein.

   Personal life - 1) Actors Studio; 2) family info at the end of the first paragraph.

   C. No original research:

   as long as the citations above are corrected, this appears okay.

3. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. Major aspects:

   Covers all aspects of her life and career.

   B. Focused (see summary style):

   Gives appropriate coverage to each aspect of her life.

4. Is it neutral?

   Fair representation without bias:

5. Is it stable?

   No edit wars, etc:

   While an active edit history, not a contentious one.

6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?

   A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content:

   All the images appear to be properly tagged with either PD or appropriate CC licenses. The one exception is the Baby Doll image, which is a fair use tag, and I'm not sure that fair use extends to this article. It's a grey area, and I definitely don't think it would pass an FA review. See WP:NFC#UUI, #6.

   B. Images are provided if possible and are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:

   Very nice use of images

7. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

   It's almost there. My comments above are relatively easy fixes, for the most part (except for the citation stuff). No movement in almost a month. Gone stale.

Renominating for GA

Sorry for ditching this article; graduate school will do these things! I think I have addressed all the issues in the aforementioned review, so it appears good to go to me. Thank you! Scottdoesntknow (talk) 07:19, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

The non-free image noted in 6A has been updated to PD. --Light show (talk) 08:05, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: Cirt (talk · contribs) 07:25, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

I will review this article. — Cirt (talk) 07:25, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

Unfortunately, not GA at this time

Unfortunately, this article is not GA at this time. There is simply too much unsourced statements and POV assertions and non-neutral tone material in an article about a living person. Here are some recommendations, below, on how to improve the article. — Cirt (talk) 16:13, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

Rate	Attribute	Review Comment
1. Well-written:
	1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct.	POV writing style, as mentioned below, not neutral tone. Copyvio Detector at GA Toolbox at top right of this page shows some problem issues, please trim or remove or paraphrase quotes in article and in citations to get this down below 30 percent.
	1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.	Per issues described below re POV wording and non-neutral sect headers. Lede intro sect size is good.
2. Verifiable with no original research:
	2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline.	Lots of unsourced content in article. Accolades sect - most of this is unsourced. She has six grandchildren: Hadassa and Lev Garfein; Zane, Dara and Wynn Van Dusen; and James Magill. - unsourced. Baby Doll: An Autobiography was well received. She later wrote two other books, To Africa with Love (1986), detailing her time spent in Africa, and a novel entitled A Roman Tale (1987). - unsourced. In 2011 and 2012, she was awarded Lifetime Achievement Awards from the Hoboken and Fort Lauderdale International Film Festivals, and attended screenings of Baby Doll and But Not For Me, respectively. - unsourced. and a 1985 BBC Radio 2 tribute marking the 30th anniversary of the actor's death. Her memories of James Dean at the Actors Studio and later in Giant were recalled on BBC Radio 2 in 1982 when she guested on You're Tearing Me Apart, Terence Pettigrew's documentary which commemorated the 25th anniversary of Dean's death in a car accident in 1955. Also on the program were singer-actor Adam Faith and the screenwriter Ray Connolly. - unsourced. In addition to her work in big-budget productions, Baker also appeared in small independent films, such as Just Your Luck (1996), and Nowhere to Go (1997). The nineties also saw Baker more frequently appearing on television series, notably in episodes of Grand (1990), Tales from the Crypt (1991), Murder, She Wrote and L.A. Law (both 1993); Chicago Hope (1995), and Roswell (1999). In 2000, she appeared in the Lifetime film Another Woman's Husband. - unsourced. Her film and television work continued throughout the nineties, and she acted in many made-for-television movies, including the true crime story Judgment Day: The John List Story (1993), Witness Run (1996), and Dalva (1996) with Farrah Fawcett. - unsourced. After an appearance in the British television film Red Monarch (1983), she played the mother of murdered Playboy model Dorothy Stratten (played by Mariel Hemingway) in the critically acclaimed biopic Star 80 (1983). She also appeared as the mother of Sigmund Freud in the comedy The Secret Diary of Sigmund Freud (1984) with Carol Kane and Klaus Kinski. - unsourced. who asked her to play the lead role in Her Harem (1967). This was followed with the horror films The Sweet Body of Deborah (1968), and The Devil Has Seven Faces (1971). Baker also starred in So Sweet... So Perverse (1969), Paranoia (1969), A Quiet Place to Kill (1970), and Il coltello di ghiaccio (Knife of Ice) (1972), all horror films directed by Italian filmmaker Umberto Lenzi. - unsourced. The film was the top moneymaker of that year, with domestic box-office receipts of $13,000,000[39] and marked the beginning of a tumultuous relationship with the film's producer, Joseph E. Levine. - unsourced. She subsequently appeared with Maasai warriors on the cover of Life's July 1964 issue. - unsourced. the film was well received by critics and was America's entry at the Venice International Film Festival. - unsourced.
	2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose).	Unclear citation styles mixed up throughout. Please pick one. Please use WP:CIT templates. Dates should not be 2015-10-28 but spelled out for all as October 28, 2015. No need for quotations in cites, please remove them. Several problems with hyperlinks. Please see Checklinks Tool at GA Toolbox at top right of this page. Anything with a value other than "0" or "200" needs to be archived via Wayback Machine by Internet Archive with archiveurl and archivedate fields by WP:CIT templates.
	2c. it contains no original research.	Article appears to rely mainly on secondary sources.
3. Broad in its coverage:
	3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic.	Does indeed address main aspects of topic.
	3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).	Good overall structural focus and layout, aside from some POV sect title choices.
	4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.	Article has a bit of a POV feel to it. Not huge issue here, but definitely getting some POV signs smattered throughout. Strongly recommend having a couple third-party editors previously uninvolved with the subject copy-edit the article. Recommend requesting copy-edit through WP:GOCE. And also posting neutrally worded notices to all talk pages of all relevant WikiProjects requesting same. Examples in sect header title choices alone: "breakout", "Box-office successes", these seem a bit promotional. The word "acclaim" is used seven (7) times total in the article. These are red-flags for POV promotion a bit here.
	5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.	Upon my inspection of both article edit history and article talk page history, article is stable going back over one month.
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
	6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content.	File:Baby Doll -1.jpg - Please remove this fair-use image. You've got probably too many free-use images overloading the article as it is. No need to claim fair use here.
	6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.	See above about please removing the fair use image. And consider trimming out a few free use images, which are a bit much.
	7. Overall assessment.	Unfortunately, not GA at this time. — Cirt (talk) 16:13, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

GA Reviewer recommendations going forward

I sincerely hope that the recommendations from the GA Review, above, will be helpful to editors in the future to further work on the Quality improvement process.

Here are my suggestions before trying for GA again:

1. Address all recommendations, above, from GA Review.
2. Request copy-edit at WP:GOCE
3. Try to get Category:User en-N, Category:User en-5, or Category:User en-4 to copy-edit the article for writing quality and grammar.
4. Go for a Peer Review. And specifically ask for help with the writing quality -- regarding POV and promotional wording concerns.
5. While at Peer Review -- Post neutrally-worded-notices to the talk pages of relevant WikiProjects with a link to the Peer Review.
6. While at Peer Review, try consulting for help from Wikipedia:Peer review/volunteers from your relevant topic.

I hope that's helpful, and good luck,

— Cirt (talk) 16:13, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

I am slightly confused about the POV, especially when articles like Angelina Jolie and Reese Witherspoon use similar language ("breakthrough," "success") in headers and are still featured articles; there are numerous other featured articles where accolades such as Golden Globe and Oscar nominations are not cited at every mention. I also find it absurd that a citation for Baker's appearance in a film is required at any mention of it in the body of the article—again, looking at numerous featured articles, this does not appear to be a standard requirement (Miranda Otto, Julianne Moore). This seems like overkill and that you are grasping at straws. I also was completely unaware about the date format change in citations— years ago when I started on Wikipedia I was explicitly told not to use full dates, and was instructed to use the "yyyy-mm-dd" format.

To be honest, I'm finding that the nomination and review system is frustratingly arbitrary as all of the problems in the article that were listed by the previous reviewer were addressed, and now there is an entirely new list of problems that I didn't even realize were present. Theoretically, this cycle could continue perpetually if a different reviewer took up an article each time it is nominated. I also find your suggestion of getting a native English speaker to copy-edit the article for grammar odd for two reasons: one, I am a native English speaker (with a postgrad background in English, no less); and two, there are no serious (if any) grammar issues present. —Drown Soda (talk) 04:35, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

Assessment comment

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Needs expansion ....(Complain)(Let us to it pell-mell) 06:19, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

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GA Review

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Reviewer: JohnWickTwo (talk · contribs) 22:56, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Starting assessment of article. JohnWickTwo (talk) 22:56, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

• Lead section

Appears adequate subject to possible changes during assessment.

• 1 Early life

No proof of birth name seems odd. You appear to be saying that there is no birth certificate, and that there are no elementary school or high school records of her birth name? She did have a passport to go to Italy and it would be interesting to know what it said for her name, or if she went through a formal name change at some time. This should be confirmed one way or the other in the article. Some mention should be made in this section of her eventual conversion to Judaism later in her life for purposes of comparison.

• 2 Career
• 2.1 1952–1957: Early work and critical success

The Baby Doll material is key in this section. The reference to her role as "sexually repressed" in the lead section appears different from calling her a "sensuous teenage bride" in this section though these should be consistent. "Repressed" seems the more common one in the reviews I have seen. The relation to Tennessee Williams is notable as is the later mention of her role as Anna Christie by Eugene O'Neill later in the article, though without discussion. The Anna Christie role should receive more discussion and it would be useful to know what the reviews were like, when it opened, how long it ran. Williams and O'Neill are foremost dramatists in the 20th century, and the tie-in comparison to Greta Garbo who did the film version of Anna is implied here as being of possible interest to some readers.

• 2.2 1958–1963: Contract battle

Possibly consider calling the section "Contract disputes" or "Conflicting studio control" to avoid the word 'battle', which will come up in the next section dealing with the legal battles she undertook with the studio which were yet to take place.

• 2.3 1964–1966: Sex symbol roles

Levine and the issue of the exploitation of her appeal in a negative way seems to be the subtext of this section. Did Levine exploit her sex appeal for profit? This was a pre-feminist issue which might deserve some attention. Is it known what Baker's positions on feminism and women's rights were, and did she ever make a strong case the one way or the other? Regarding the law suits paragraph which ends the section, is anything known about who put her up to filing the law suits, and did she know that she was shooting her career in the leg at that time by souring relations with American studios on a long-term basis. Did she have a penchant for legal battles or was it simply a contentious nature in her?

• 2.4 1967–1975: European career and giallo films

Many prefer to use the plain language version here and just call them "Italian thrillers" with a link to the genre type. It might be interesting that this type of profit-oriented film making has some similarity to Spaghetti westerns, though care should be taken not to get into original research if there are any comparisons you might make between these genres of Italian films.

• 2.5 1976–1987: Return to American films; theater

Previous note discussion above on Anna Christie role. How many times did she do scripts y Williams and O'Neill in her life? Did she ever do anything by Arthur Miller? Those would likely be the strong theatre names of the 20th century and might be of interest to those readers of this article who would like to read her career as being the career of a "serious actress".

• 2.6 1988–2003: Later roles and retirement

Your reference to "Baker played a villainess" in Kindergarten seems a bit over-stated for a comedy and the link to the film prefers to call her role that of an over-bearing mother, which seems preferable for a comedy. The 2006 DVD release of Baby Doll may have had a voice-over of her narrating a film commentary, and this should be checked. What did she say in her short interview which was included on that DVD; what did the film and role mean to her after so many decades since the film was originally released? Same question for her discussions with Rex Reed at the Williams commemoration, what did she say about him or about her role?

• 3 Writing

Adequate for content discussed.

• 4 Personal life

She is still living, in NYC, and note if there are any family contacts or friends left.

• 5 In popular culture

See above comments about Williams and O'Neill. When was the last production of Baby Doll in the theatre, do the new actresses playing the role ever mention Baker's contribution to the film? Otherwise, the section seems possibly super-added to this article since the Arbus photos can be mentioned in the section dealing with Baby Doll, and the Warhol item can be inserted in the 1975 section discussing their collaboration. If you move those two sentences as suggested here, then this section could be omitted.

• 6 Filmography

Adequate for content discussed.

• 7 Accolades

Adequately covered.

• 7.1 Awards

Adequately covered.

• 7.2 Nominations

Adequately covered.

• 7.3 Honors

Adequately covered.

@Drown Soda: That should get the assessment started and remember to update all the access dates for all the citations which use them after you check the links, as you did on your other article. JohnWickTwo (talk) 02:47, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

@JohnWickTwo: Hello again, and thanks so much for taking the time review these.

• I've been unable to find any evidence proving she was born as Carroll Baker or Karolina Piekaraski; the Piekarski rumor has circulated for some time and it has been alleged that she changed her name to Carroll Baker, which is the Anglicized version of the Polish name, but again, I've been unable to find documentation proving either/or. There is a photo of her passport here from the 1970s, but it simply lists her as Carroll Baker Garfein. She does not address her birth name in her autobiography either.

If there ever was an interview with close family members in the press then this would likely clear things up. Also, if she does say the family was from Continental Europe then the name "Baker" is not part of the lexicon in Poland, suggesting that the family name needed to be something different and European.

• Agreed over the term "battle"—it's harsh and "dispute" is far more appropriate. As far as the women's issues angle, Baker has not publicly disclosed her views on this; she simply made such statements as "Levine behaved as though he owned me," as cited in the article. I could try and incorporate some historical discussion of the dispute if I can find it, or possibly a general comment on contracts in the era and their effect on female actors during the era.

See my further comment below on this. It seems that she may have been influenced by someone to take the case forward which would cause her so much turmoil in her career even after she prevailed.

• I don't know if replacing the term giallo in the body of the article would necessarily be more informative; granted it is an Italian word, but it is frequently used among the film community and is used in English vernacular to designate a specific genre of film. If anything, I feel that leaving the original term linked may be more educational for those unfamiliar with the films. This is debatable though and just my inclination.

There is always something to be said for speaking plainly as well, and "Italian-thriller" can be linked to the FA for B-movie.

• In regard to theatre, Baker did perform on stage with some consistency throughout her career; as noted in the early work section, she began her career on Broadway and would go on to do theatre in spurts throughout her career, both in the U.S. and abroad. A list of her performances is included in the credits page. I've included some names for reference in relationship to the plays in the body of the article. I think her dramatic film credits combined with some of her stage work lend credence to Baker as a serious actress; if nothing else, her start performing Tennessee Williams gives her footing in both "serious" (i.e. dramatic works/works by respected writers and/or filmmakers) and "less serious" (i.e. B-movies, horror films, etc.) categories.

Any ties to Williams are important to her "serious" reception as an actor. Any review you can find of her Anna Christie role would be interesting to hear about.

• It has been awhile since I've watched the 2006 DVD, but I do recall Baker commenting on the drama surrounding the film's release when the cardinal of St. Patrick's Cathedral publicly denounced the film; I also remember her saying that the hoopla caught her completely off guard. The interview on that DVD release was brief from my recollection. I do own it, but don't have it immediately with me—I can try and get this information at some point in the future, though what I recall of it, it did not provide much information that hasn't been stated by Baker and/or others elsewhere.

If this was the Criterion Collection DVD release, then there is usually a voice-over track where participants in the film are invited to "talk" through the film with their recollections. Who did the voice-overs for your DVD version? If you did not watch the film with this audio option enabled, then you could look up the voice-over names on the Criterion web-site for this film. There is a Criterion release for "Something Wild" and the article might look stronger if you had something on the current art-house aspect of "Something Wild".

• I have noted stage productions of Baby Doll (it had its theatrical debut in 2000), but comments on Baker's influence on the part don't seem to be floating around—she did epitomize the role though, as it became virtually synonymous with her name.

Good comments to include, and ties to Williams are nearly always to her credit.

Let me know if you have other comments or ideas; I've made edits addressing the above points. Again, much appreciated. --Drown Soda (talk) 22:23, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

@Drown Soda: That looks fairly good. There are some italic comments of mine that you will see interspersed with your responses above, mostly your answers have credence and you will just need to make final choices on the wording.

The entire reference list for the article needs to have all the very old access dates updated throughout, for example, this one "^ "Carroll Baker". St. Petersburg Times. January 23, 1957. Retrieved November 2, 2009", and many others. This also was in the Turner article (footnote #88), for example, "cite web|url=http://www.lanaturner.org/lana-turner-quotes |work=LanaTurner.org |archiveurl=https://web.archive.org/web/20121215193615/http://www.lanaturner.org/lana-turner-quotes |archivedate=December 15, 2012 |title=Lana Turner Quotes |deadurl=yes |df= ", which still needs to be taken care of. It still is unexpected that she decided knowingly to get into such high profile legal battles without knowing the consequences to her career beforehand; was it just for the money? Ping me when you are ready to continue the assessment. JohnWickTwo (talk) 01:32, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

@JohnWickTwo: Regarding your above comments: Baker's daughter is also a famous actress, but as far as I know, Baker's birth name has never been discussed by her. I have taken your consideration of the giallo term and it does prove very readable. The 2006 DVD release of Baby Doll was a Warner release and was unfortunately spare in regard to bonus material. Criterion did release Something Wild earlier this year with an audio interview with Baker from her home in New York, though most of the discussion in that regarding Baby Doll was of things that have been said elsewhere as well (the interview was more focused on Something Wild and also anecdotes about her life on film sets, interactions with Clark Gable, etc.) I was able to find a reference to a review of the Anna Christie production, which was directed by her then-husband; it was not well-reviewed, though I cannot find direct quotes about Baker's performance itself. --Drown Soda (talk) 05:29, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

@Drown Soda: All of the retrieval dates in the reference section need to be updated. It reflects poorly on both nominator and reviewer when some of the dates have not been updated since 2012. Once they are done, and I'll read through the entire reference section to verify, it should be possible to move forward. Many editors do not like to do references though its an unavoidable bottleneck. Here is only a partial list and there are many others which need to be updated. Five years is too long not to update these. JohnWickTwo (talk) 14:53, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

Old reference retrieval dates need to be updated from start to finish in article:

a b c d e f "The Private Life and Times of Carroll Baker". Glamour Girls of the Silver Screen. Retrieved November 11, 2012.

Jump up to: a b c d e f Bubbeo, Daniel (June 20, 2011). "'Baby Doll' Carroll Baker in Huntington". Newsday. Retrieved November 10, 2012.

Jump up to: a b Carroll Baker on working with James Dean on YouTube. Media Funhouse (2000). Retrieved November 13, 2012.

Jump up to: a b "Carroll Baker Biography (1931–)". Film Reference. Retrieved February 2, 2015.

Jump up to: a b c "Carroll Baker – Broadway Theater Credits". Playbill Vault. Retrieved November 11, 2012.

^ Baker, Carroll (March 30, 2011). "Carroll Baker on Elizabeth Taylor". Saturday Night at the Movies (Interview). Retrieved February 2, 2012.

a b Hoberman, J. (December 17, 2012). "Catch Baby Doll with Carroll Baker and Eli Wallach". The Village Voice. Retrieved February 27, 2012.

Etc, etc, etc.

Also, the dead url links need to be removed or fixed. A previous editor appears to have used the archival backup format for some of the references which are listing as dead links when you look at the edit code in edit mode for this article, which needs to be updated. This also happened in the Lana Turner article where if you look at cite#88 in the edit code in edit mode you will see it listed as a dead link (it is listed in my comments from yesterday above in bold typeface.) These dead links should be fixed both here and in the Turner article. If you don't see these or don't know how to fix them just get back to me here by pinging my account for further details. Its straightforward to repair though I know it takes some time to read through the entire reference list in order to find each problem citation. Just ping my account when I can verify its completed. JohnWickTwo (talk) 14:53, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

@JohnWickTwo: I think I've repaired these links and updated the access dates; I ran the page through Checklink to be sure. --Drown Soda (talk) 22:36, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

Nice of you to update the link dates and the article gets promoted. You should confirm if you wish to retain this wording in the lead section, "...Italian horror and giallo thrillers", to see if it matches the changes you made to the main body of the article. The additions you made are useful. For the family name of her parents, they both look very British in origin and it might be interesting to know how many generations one would need to go back in her family to encounter the Continental European roots if you should decide to try to move the article towards an FA nomination. The reception of Something Wild remains more of an art house film and the incident with sexual violence tests the Mon Amour standard of experiment with sexual violence further than previously done, as has been studied in the critical literature about this film. This could be of interest to readers of this promoted article on Baker if you decide to improve it further. JohnWickTwo (talk) 01:29, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

@JohnWickTwo: I completely forgot I left the giallo in the lead—I'll switch that out. Also, ditto on Something Wild. It's a seriously underrated film I think and I'll have to look into some of the scholarly work on it. I would like to look at getting this article toward FA status at some point as it seems reasonably close in terms of coverage. As far as her parents are concerned, the only reliable sources with information on her ancestry state she is of Polish descent—unsure if both her parents were of Polish descent. She doesn't say much about it in her book unfortunately. --Drown Soda (talk) 18:49, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

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Karolina Piekarski

Her birth name is Carol Baker and she has no Polish ancestry. She is Irish, English and some German.

High school attended

It's not possible for Carroll Baker to have attended Greensburg-Salem High School, as it did not exist by that name until 1960. I happen to know this, as I attended Greensburg-Salem myself in the 1970's. I can only assume that she attended its predecessor, Greensburg High School. I do see that the information was cited as being from her autobiography. But both the 1959 (Greensburg) and 1960 (Greensburg-Salem) yearbooks can be viewed at the Classmates.com website, indicating that the high school's name was changed between those two years. Fgoron2000 (talk) 03:19, 7 September 2023 (UTC)