Talk:Catherine Wessinger

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Photo[edit]

Will have photo added next week The Resident Anthropologist (talk) 04:16, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Millinialism Section[edit]

Jrcrin001 (talk · contribs) has twice now added an undue amount of original Synthesis of 3000 bytes to this article both times using minor edit function. I request he discuss this on the talk page The Resident Anthropologist (talk) 17:36, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I added the following and when I checked the page it was not there, so I thought I had not added the material correctly. No intent to create a conflict. I suggest the following changes for the Millennialism section with possible "objectioned" material striked out. The reference section added only for review of cites provided. My goal was to add documented material on Wessigner. I copied the material enbloc and thus out of context. Is the following more acceptable? Jrcrin001 (talk) 17:55, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Millennialism[edit]

Wessinger has defined two terms regarding collective salvation and the millennium ~~used by progressive and liberal ‘Christians.’~~^[1]

"Progressive millennialism: [is an] optimistic view of humanity,

society and history; [that] progress is possible; [and] collective salvation

will be achieved by humans working in harmony with a divine plan."

"Catastrophic millennialism: [a] pessimistic view of humanity,

society and history; [and] evil is rampant; [T]o eliminate evil and achieve

collective salvation on earth, the world must be destroyed and made new by God;

the catastrophic destruction is imminent."

"Millennialism"^[2] has become an academic term used to refer to belief in an imminent transition to a collective salvation in which the elect will experience well-being and the limitations of the human condition will be transcended. The collective salvation is often expected to be earthly, but it can also be heavenly. If physical events thoroughly disconfirm the establishment of the millennial kingdom on earth, the “millennialists” may shift to focusing on a heavenly collective salvation. The terms "millennialism" or "millenarianism" derive from Christianity, because the New Testament book of Revelation states that the kingdom of God will exist on earth for one thousand years or a millennium.^[1]

"That my individual salvation

is not going to come about without

a collective salvation for the country."

Democratic candidate Barack Obama^[3]

In Christianity, "apocalypse" refers to biblical literature that reveals the catastrophic events at the end of the world as we know it. In popular language, apocalypse has become synonymous with the expected catastrophe; therefore "apocalyptic" is synonymous with "catastrophic millennialism."^[1]

References[edit]

^ ^a ^b ^c Wessinger, Catherine - edited by Thomas Robbins and Susan J. Palmer (1997). "Millennialism with and without the Mayhem". New York; London: Routledge. Retrieved 2010-09-03. {{cite web}}: |author= has generic name (help) Note: Catherine Wessinger is of Loyola University in New Orleans, Louisiana. See Also:
* Catherine Wessinger, How the Millennium Comes Violently: From Jonestown to Heaven's Gate (New York: Seven Bridges Press, 2000).
* Catherine Wessinger, ed., Millennialism, Persecution and Violence: Historical Cases (Syracuse: Syracuse University Press, 2000).
* And entries in Encyclopedia of Millennialism and Millennial Movements; Robert H. Stockman, "Millennialism in the Bahá'í Faith: Progressive and Catastrophic Themes," paper delivered at the 12th Irfan Colloquium on Christianity and the Bahá'í Faith, Newcastle-upon-Tyne, UK, Dec. 6-8, 1996.
*Note: The Wessinger terminology is frequently used among scholars of New Religious Movements in current conference papers. A further work that makes use of these terms is: Daniel Wojcik, The End of the World As We Know It: Faith, Fatalism, and Apocalypse in America (New York: New York University Press, 1997).
^ Barkun, Michael (1974 – paperback 1986). Disaster and the Millennium. New Haven: Yale University Press – paperback: Syracuse University Press. ISBN 0815623925 978-0815623922. {{cite book}}: Check |isbn= value: length (help); Check date values in: |year= (help)
^ Thompson, Bill (2008). "Barack Obama "Dreams From My Father" - Interview recorded 8/9/1995" (PDF). Eye on Books.com. Retrieved 2010-09-12.

Comment[edit]

Out of All that the only things out of it that should be noted in her biography is her developing the distinction between Progressive and Catastrophic millennialism. Other tan that I dont see much that it is highly relevant. The Resident Anthropologist (talk) 19:10, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Your choice of what to put in. I have no vested interest in this article. I do suggest the bio portal that was removed be placed back in the article. I was trying to be helpful. I wish you the best with this and other articles. Jrcrin001 (talk) 22:43, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

[Wessinger-1] Wessinger, Catherine - edited by Thomas Robbins and Susan J. Palmer (1997). "Millennialism with and without the Mayhem". New York; London: Routledge. Retrieved 2010-09-03. {{cite web}}: |author= has generic name (help) Note: Catherine Wessinger is of Loyola University in New Orleans, Louisiana. See Also:
* Catherine Wessinger, How the Millennium Comes Violently: From Jonestown to Heaven's Gate (New York: Seven Bridges Press, 2000).
* Catherine Wessinger, ed., Millennialism, Persecution and Violence: Historical Cases (Syracuse: Syracuse University Press, 2000).
* And entries in Encyclopedia of Millennialism and Millennial Movements; Robert H. Stockman, "Millennialism in the Bahá'í Faith: Progressive and Catastrophic Themes," paper delivered at the 12th Irfan Colloquium on Christianity and the Bahá'í Faith, Newcastle-upon-Tyne, UK, Dec. 6-8, 1996.
*Note: The Wessinger terminology is frequently used among scholars of New Religious Movements in current conference papers. A further work that makes use of these terms is: Daniel Wojcik, The End of the World As We Know It: Faith, Fatalism, and Apocalypse in America (New York: New York University Press, 1997).

[Barkun-2] Barkun, Michael (1974 – paperback 1986). Disaster and the Millennium. New Haven: Yale University Press – paperback: Syracuse University Press. ISBN 0815623925 978-0815623922. {{cite book}}: Check |isbn= value: length (help); Check date values in: |year= (help)

[Bill-3] Thompson, Bill (2008). "Barack Obama "Dreams From My Father" - Interview recorded 8/9/1995" (PDF). Eye on Books.com. Retrieved 2010-09-12.

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