Talk:Center for Union Facts

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Links that need fixing[edit]

These links need fixing:

  • Steven Greenhouse, "Group Starts Anti-Union Campaign [6]", New York Times, February 14, 2006.
  • Kim Chapman, "New group launches anti-union drive [7]", Seattle Post Intelligencer, February 14, 2006. (This is a syndicated Bloomberg story).
  • Kris Maher, "Taking on the AFL-CIO [8]", "Incident Report", Wall Street Journal, February 13, 2006.

Also, many of the links to the Wall Street Journal require a subscription. --John Nagle 18:28, 20 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That a source requires a subscription, or is off-line entirely, does not disqualify it from being used for Wikipedia articles. All other things being equal, an on-line source is better, but much information (books in particular) isn't online, and is still perfectly acceptable for sourcing Wikipedia articles. The criteria is not whether a source is online, but whether it can be confirmed with reasonable effort. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 01:51, 6 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Copyright[edit]

I noticed that much of this info was imported from the SourceWatch wiki. That's OK, because they use a GFDL license, like Wikipedia, so there's no copyright problem. However, it works much better if you import the Wiki source text, not the page view; otherwise, you have to do all that manual work to clean up the imported stuff. --John Nagle 19:02, 20 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

POV flag[edit]

I've read over this page and for the life of me don't see why it's flagged as POV. As there's been no discussion on the talk page about it being POV, I'm removing the flag. 71.77.5.234 22:00, 31 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Take a look at the history of "external links"...

Warning: Lobbyists Berman and Company at work[edit]

This article has been edited anonymously by Berman and Company, who are lobbyists for amongst others the American Beverage Institute, the Center for Consumer Freedom, the Center for Union Facts and the Employment Policies Institute.

IP address of 66.208.14.242 traces to Berman and Company, see the Whois report. I Spy With My Big Eye (talk) 10:55, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Update[edit]

For some reason Center of Union Facts has been running television ads in the Portland, Oregon area for the last week, with a pointer to their website unionfacts.com. I never heard of them before this. AFAIK, there is no major unionizing action here, no measure on the May ballot, no cause this group would want to fight -- it's simply bizarre. -- llywrch (talk) 05:42, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Same here in The Other Portland (Maine) area, and also for no apparent reason that I can think of either. A local chapter of the [self-edit: got wrong union--not important, anyway] got some bad press recently, but there's no statewide issue or initiative that I'm aware of right now. I just saw one of their ads this morning on the local NBC affiliate, and it just about knocked my socks off. (I was also offended by it as a union member myself, but that's a discussion for elsewhere.) I wonder if it's nationwide, and I wonder why the sudden reappearance. If someone could pull together some sources, this article might be due for an update. Ripogenus77 (talk) 18:13, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
My hypothesis is that they have been getting quiet funding from the corporatist right to do voter suppression. (The press doesn't monitor them as they do, say, donations to the Republican Party.) If union-member voters are discouraged enough and cynical enough about their unions, then any exhortations to vote against anti-worker candidates in the fall will have weaker impact, and the anti-worker forces can sneak in despite the weakness at the head of the ticket. --Orange Mike | Talk 18:27, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I undid the undoing of an edit that noted that a spokesman for this "center" is linked to Berman & Co.'s "PETA Kills Animals" campaign. It is quite notable that Berman & Co. seem to use interchangable personnel for their various "campaigns", "centers", or "institutes" (or, more accurately, PR efforts); although I haven't the time to investigate the implications, somebody might want to investigate IPs and users editing the pages of Berman's various front groups, as well as the pages of their targets; Berman & Co. seems to be quite a multiheaded hydra whose efforts in influencing public debate surely need to be identified as to from whence they issue. Not that I particularly agree with the CSPI (they're alcohol prohibitionists) or, to a lesser extent, PETA, but there's fair criticism and then there's astroturfing.Katana0182 (talk) 03:31, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Agree. I've added three other CCF orgs that she works for. Bob98133 (talk) 14:51, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Right now, most of the DC metro bulletin boards are being plastered by Unionfacts and consumerfreedom ads, owned by Richard Berman also. Along with a couple of mecuryfacts.org ads. Unlike Unionfacts, it is obvious that consumerfreedom is bought and paid for by corporations, in this case, restaraunts. Calendar (talk) 18:21, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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