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Did you know... that the façade of the Brooklyn Central Library was removed in an attempt to save money?

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Brooklyn Central Library

... that in an attempt to save money, the facade of the Brooklyn Central Library was removed? Source: "'Unbuild' Library to Save $2,000,000". Times Union. October 16, 1927. p. 144.
- ALT1: ... that before the Brooklyn Central Library was finished, its site was called the "Pigeon Palace", the "Pigeon Roost", and the "Roman Ruins of Brooklyn"? Source: Various, see article.
- ALT2: ... that the Brooklyn Central Library, authorized in 1889, did not open until 1941? Source: Authorized in 1889: "$750,000 Is Voted to Finish Wing of Central Library". The Brooklyn Daily Eagle. June 3, 1926. p. 2. Opened in 1941: "Ingersoll Library Opens; Central Building of Brooklyn Group Put Into Service". The New York Times. February 4, 1941
- ALT3: ... that the Brooklyn Central Library, which took half a century to build, was called "a monument to municipal procrastination"? Source: Authorized in 1889: "$750,000 Is Voted to Finish Wing of Central Library". The Brooklyn Daily Eagle. June 3, 1926. p. 2. Opened in 1941: "Ingersoll Library Opens; Central Building of Brooklyn Group Put Into Service". The New York Times. February 4, 1941 "Monument to municipal procrastination" quote: "Library Begun in '12 is Still Unfinished". Daily News. June 5, 1932. p. 70.
- ALT4: ... that the Brooklyn Central Library's shape resembles an open book from above? Source: Brooklyn Public Library, Central Building (PDF) (Report). National Register of Historic Places, National Park Service. January 11, 2002. p. 3.
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5x expanded by Epicgenius (talk). Self-nominated at 22:37, 6 July 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Central Library (Brooklyn Public Library); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

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QPQ: - Not done
Overall: @Epicgenius: Good article. waiting on QPQ. Onegreatjoke (talk) 20:57, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Onegreatjoke: Thanks for the review. Sorry about the delay - I totally forgot, and I have added a QPQ now. Epicgenius (talk) 21:33, 20 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Approve. Onegreatjoke (talk) 22:44, 21 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

Passed. ~ Argenti Aertheri^(Chat?) 16:28, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Reviewer: Argenti Aertheri (talk · contribs) 00:34, 24 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

GA review[edit]

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Finished through until "Current design", only one issue so far:

"Local residents wanted the building's development to be accelerated so the BPL's research collection could be relocated there." - source [1] makes no mention of the research collection
- The source says "many priceless volumes are being ruined or damaged and many more are constantly inaccessible". The volumes are from the research collection, but it's only mentioned in other sources. I will remove it. Epicgenius (talk) 21:22, 24 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  - If you want to keep it you could go for something like: Local residents wanted the building's development to be accelerated so the BPL's currently* inaccessible collection could be relocated there. (* except not "currently" because it was a hundred years ago) ~ Argenti Aertheri^(Chat?) 00:38, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I've changed it to "Local residents wanted the building's development to be accelerated, as many volumes in the BPL's collection were being damaged or were inaccessible". – Epicgenius (talk) 00:40, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Current library section:

"Between April and June 1936, about 200,000 people signed a petition asking PWA secretary Harold L. Ickes to approve money for the building, By then, Ingersoll described the Central Library as the highest-priority "needed improvement" in Brooklyn." - You want one sentence here, or two?
- That was intended to be two sentences. I've fixed it now. Epicgenius (talk) 15:22, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"and an adult-service room" - that sounds like something very different than what is intended!
- Yeah... punctuation could completely change the meaning of a sentence. I meant a service room for adults. Epicgenius (talk) 15:22, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"The Central Library's biography–history–travel and language–literature departments were moved to another part of the building in February 1971, after part of the second floor had been renovated, and the art–music and audiovisual divisions were moved that October." - I know the source used hypens, but those should probably be commas
- In my opinion, this would make it sound like the biography/history/travel department (for example) is actually three different departments, rather than a single department. Same with language/literature and art/music. Epicgenius (talk) 15:22, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Epicgenius: Ah, I thought they were separate departments, perhaps art/music, etc, is better? Everything else looks great. ~ Argenti Aertheri^(Chat?) 16:15, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, I have done that. – Epicgenius (talk) 16:24, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Perfect! ~ Argenti Aertheri^(Chat?) 16:27, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Architecture section:

Wikilink "Virginia alvarene stone" and "fluted pilasters"?
- I linked fluted pilasters but couldn't find a link for alvarene. Epicgenius (talk) 15:22, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"it could fit about one million[296] or two million books in its stacks.[137] ... The stacks could hold about a million books.[123][181]" - what's going on here, did everyone just give different estimates?
- Yep. I've combined the mentions of one million books, but that seems to be the number that more contemporary sources give. Epicgenius (talk) 15:22, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
~~"Brooklyn Community Foundation Lobby at the rear of the basement.[298]" - dead link, will try to fix it myself~~ Done

Rest:

"Although Christopher Gray of The New York Times wrote in 2004 that the building was an "impressive, Moderne-style, wedge-shaped structure" but that its "impressive site is in fact one of its biggest disadvantages" because of the high amounts of traffic on Grand Army Plaza." - that's not quite a sentence
- Oops, I've fixed that. Epicgenius (talk) 15:22, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Epicgenius: Looks pretty good! Just a couple minor things, ping me once you fix those and I'll happily pass it ~ Argenti Aertheri^(Chat?) 04:20, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Argenti Aertheri: Thanks for the review. I have fixed all of these issues now. Epicgenius (talk) 15:22, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.