Talk:Central Subway (San Francisco)

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Criticism[edit]

Who are these "transit activists" that criticize this plan?

Does the Los Angeles Bus Riders Union have a chapter in San Francisco? 72.67.35.97 (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 19:18, 27 September 2008 (UTC).[reply]

Not an "activist", but the Central Subway route chosen will provide poor service for downtown office workers, instead favoring "tourist" destinations: Moscone, Union Square, and Chinatown. A route closer to the heart of the financial district would likely have higher ridership. 71.134.228.37 (talk) 05:59, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

North Beach?[edit]

The article states that there will be a station at Washington Square in North Beach. However, there's zero evidence of this on the project website, which has fairly detailed alignment maps; they just have Chinatown as the northernmost stop. What's the source for the North Beach station? --Jfruh (talk) 16:31, 9 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

They're not gonna have a North Beach station. That's just the TBM extraction point. 75.61.95.1 (talk) 06:33, 11 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Political payback[edit]

This whole project was political payback by Mayor Willie Brown to Chinatown activists such as Rose Pak who were upset when the Embarcadero Freeway was torn down in the mid-1990s. They thought the Embarcadero Freeway was "good Feng Shui" because "it was shaped like a dragon that brought customers to Chinatown". The Chinatown activists were given this project as a consolation prize. Keraunos (talk) 21:19, 11 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Update[edit]

According to http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/02/25/BANK1N96DQ.DTL , federal funding seems to be falling into place (though not yet finalized). AnonMoos (talk) 07:06, 26 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Cost and funding[edit]

SF Weekly did an investigative report in April 2014 about the project's massive cost overruns and lack of structure to track estimated vs. actual costs. http://www.sfweekly.com/2014-04-02/news/muni-central-subway-whistleblower-budget/full/ cipherswarm (talk) 00:49, 12 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Is this system a "premetro"?[edit]

The premetro article contained a great deal of original research, and characterized a large number of light-rail or streetcar routes as "premetro" systems for questionable reasons -- like that the light-rail or streetcar system had a short tunneled section. More recently the premetro article has been scaled back, to only include systems that verifiable authoritative sources have called "premetro" systems.

Unfortunately dozens of questionable incoming links were made to the premetro article, from articles like this one, that didn't supply any references that verified systems like this one had ever been called premetro systems.

I am going to place a {{dubious}} tag next to all questionable claims that provide questionable incoming links to premetro.

If no authoritative references ever called this a "premetro" system that phrase should be removed from this article, link and all. Geo Swan (talk) 17:29, 16 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]