Talk:Centrarchidae
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[edit]Comments for draft: overall super detailed and interesting! Covered a lot of the life history which is important! I learned a lot just from reading it once, so I think it will be a great addition to wiki. Global edit: I like the first section, but I feel like it is a little too wordy to be an introduction section. I would cut it down to make it more brief, and add some of those details into their respective categories below. Additionally, I think the phylogeny would be more useful at the top. For non-fish people it may be a good place to start, seeing what other fish it is related to that a reader may recognize and make connections.
Local edits: I think that the Range shift section should be changed to native range, and then range shift. Right now them being clumped together is a little hard to tease apart the importance of a potential shift in range (and the implications with that). So think about separating it. Additionally, I would add when the species was introduced into those non-native habitats (100 years ago? 10?) this is an interesting fact to include if you can find it! Just a thought!
Great job! Beesbewithyou (talk) 19:37, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
Preferred Water Ecology and Adaptive Responses additions
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LetMinnow (talk) 02:39, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
Fishing
[edit]Should add a section on fishing for this species. --74.176.106.74 (talk) 18:35, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
As of 9-Sep-2011 the link in reference #2 on the article page is broken. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GTGeek88 (talk • contribs) 15:19, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
My question concerns the Largemouth & Smallmouth "Bass." Is it the skeletal morphology of the soft/sharp dorsal & 3 anal rays that lead to this cladistict placement? Anybody more astute than I would earn my lifelong respect & gratitude. I've only specifically fished for LMB once (in the harbour of Milwaukee. My angling mate scoffed, but in late May, fishing from a canoe with Sponsons & a trolling motor & sonar, using shiners (a large, oval bodied minnow) about 18" deep for the Smallies (20# Fireline spliced with a blood knot to 10# Fireline & a Tru-Turn hook. Once I started using Tru-Turn hooks about 15 years ago I can't remember loosing a fish & from stunted Blue Gills to 39" Northern Pike with no steel leader, they were all hooked in the corner of the jaw. Hence, no gut-hooked goners & for larger fishes, a rock-solid hook up between the upper & lower jaw bones. It appears that the patent for T-T hooks has expired. All the larger hook makers have something similar, a hook with the eye bent forward perpendicular to the hook or backwards.). Whenever I fish with live bait, I use 3-4 appropriately sized phosphorescent beads right above the hook & I'm adamant about phosphorescent paint on the bellies of most of my lures. Fishing for Northerns with the exact same rigs except for my Glow Beads, over 2 days, my take was 5 & me mate, whom scoffs & mocks my Glow In The Dark fixation bloody well finally admitted I might be on to something. The spring of that year, when it was my turn to take the active rod, it was on a "Tailgunner," a lure not attached to a downrigger, but fished from a vertical rod out about 40 yards. I chose a mud brown 6" stick bait with......a self crafted glow belly. 40 minutes later, my mate netted a fresh, silver 24.64 # Chinook Salmon. So there you have it. Vol-Tear (talk) 04:54, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
General comments
[edit]This article is too brief considering the enormous economic, ecological and cultural importance of this family of fishes. Some of the more important species could be illustated and briefly descibed. Surely articles on sportfishing belong under seperate headings? Does the distribution map show the natural range of the centrarchids, or the extended range after human redistribution for angling and fish-farming? Barney Bruchstein (talk) 18:07, 7 September 2012 (UTC). There are actually 34 species.
Upcoming page edits (in correlation with source additions).
[edit]My upcoming edits will be broken down into two phases: general page updates and information addition (new sections). My planned improvements of the existing materials include addition of citations throughout the page, modification of run-on and incomplete sentences, and finally small additions of pertinent information to the lead section and habitat section. I will be formulating and adding two new sections to the page (Reproduction and Impacts of Climate Change). The section over reproduction will be a briefly outline the major reproductive strategies within the centrarchid family. The Impacts of Climate Change addition will be divided into two subsections: thermal tolerance and range shifts. LetMinnow (talk) 04:30, 3 March 2018 (UTC)