Talk:Chakotay/GA1

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Reviewer: Zanimum (talk · contribs) 22:15, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

I did the review on Harry Kim, so I might as well do Chakotay's. -- Zanimum (talk) 22:15, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

First off, Wow, Robert Beltran has aged.

Infobox

• Was Chakotay provisional the entire series?

• Yep - never seen on screen with a Starfleet rank. Miyagawa (talk) 21:15, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

• Fair, thanks. -- Zanimum (talk) 01:11, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

• Why no "last appearance"? I presume this is only supposed to count in-universe, and it's fairly clear at this point there won't be a Voyager feature film.

• There's no "last appearance" in the infobox template. I agree it would make sense to be included, but I'm not confident in editing infobox templates. Miyagawa (talk) 21:15, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

• Interesting! I've asked on the portal what people think. For the purposes of this GA, we'll set this matter aside. -- Zanimum (talk) 01:11, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Concept and development

Fascinating development process. Also, interesting find about Braga's focus on some characters rather than others, I don't think the person who wrote on Harry Kim had found that.

• I did the Harry Kim article too - admittedly I have a new source (or rather, I realised that there was some casting information in the middle of a source I had at the time (because the natural place to put the casting info and startup info is around page 175 and not at the start of a book without an index!). But yeah, the Harry Kim idea wasn't very interesting at all compared to the others. The Doctor's one is really cool as it was directly linked to them wanting to recreate the Holographic Moriarty from TNG. Miyagawa (talk) 21:15, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

• I'm realizing that you're indeed one and the same, seeing your user name! -- Zanimum (talk) 01:11, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

• "appearing in Models Inc." is ambiguous. Is he a judge on a reality show, a regular on a comedy, a recurring role in a drama? The program is obscure, so it would be good to help establish Beltran's pre-Trek credentials.

• Clarified that it was a soap opera (and Melrose Place spin off). Miyagawa (talk) 21:15, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

• Wow, I didn't know there was a spin-off. Thanks for adding the genre. -- Zanimum (talk) 01:11, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

• Hamlet's producers wanted him to have the tattoo makeup on? The sentence isn't perfectly clear.

• Clarified - and made sure it was mentioned as a joke. Miyagawa (talk) 21:15, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks! (I was wondering if they legitimately thought he had a real facial tattoo!) -- Zanimum (talk) 01:11, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

• quotations around Endgame

• Fixed - I'd missed the first one. Miyagawa (talk) 21:15, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Appearances

• Is John Kelly a historical figure to young Chakotay? The term astronaut is throwing me off.

• I swapped the astronaut link around to follow John Kelly to make it more obvious. Miyagawa (talk) 21:15, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

• I've changed it further, to emphasis that it was centuries ago that Lt Kelly was alive, well before Voyager's era. The switchero you did could still imply that he was contemporary to Chakotay and the rest of the Voyager crew.

• How is it that a TNG episode references Ro Laren as a student specifically of Chakotay? Even if the ST official site says he trained her, the episode wouldn't.

• The episode had Ro Laren mention that a native american teacher of hers at the academy resigned to join the Maquis. Related DYK point - turns all the Maquis episodes in TNG and DS9 were designed simply to introduce the Maquis characters in Voyager. Miyagawa (talk) 21:15, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

• They planned that far ahead? Wow. While he wasn't mentioned by name, if Star Trek's official site has woven this together, I'm comfortable with the actual TNG episode as backup. -- Zanimum (talk) 01:24, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

• In the background section, is it possible to sum up in a sentence what the Maquis were about again? The first season is a blur in my mind. Were they a rebel force, just space hippies, what?

• Let me double check the source as I'm sure it explains it. Once I have the page ref, I'll add it. Miyagawa (talk) 21:15, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

• Who is demoted to make Chakotay second in command?

• The original executive officer died at the start of "Caretaker". Miyagawa (talk) 21:15, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

• Cool, thanks. (Rusty memory.)

• Cathexis should be in quotes, shouldn't it?

• I think someone else came in and fixed that one. :) Miyagawa (talk) 21:15, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

• Chris857, apparently. Interesting how dynamic Wikipedia is!

• no need for "actually"

• Fixed. Miyagawa (talk) 21:15, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks.

• The sentence about Gegen sounds like he's trying to prove Chakotay came from the same home world as humans, but I presume it's to prove Voth came from the same world? Also, wouldn't Gegen be trying to prove Voth came from Earth? Might as well name drop our planet, lest people think ST says humans were transported here from elsewhere. Chakotay giving the model of Earth does sort of imply which home world, but I dunno.

• I've tweaked it and made it more obvious. Miyagawa (talk) 21:15, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks.

Janeway is assimilated in a TNG novel? What a welcome home. Ah, good old non-canonical books. :)

I know - not even a generic Star Trek novel but a TNG one. The Q later resurrected her though. Mind you I still would like something canon to come along and blow the silly Borg/Caelar Gestault stuff out of the water. Miyagawa (talk) 21:15, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Hehe.

Reception

• Is Borofsky notable enough that someone could feasibly write on him?

• Quite right, I've removed the link. Miyagawa (talk) 21:15, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks.

• "for his Captain but she" --> "for his Captain, but she"

• Done. Miyagawa (talk) 21:15, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Passing See also, Notes, Citations, References, External links.

The category "Fictional anthropologists"... is that addressed in the article? He doesn't approach his culture like an anthropologist.

• Removing that. It was referenced in a single episode but not a major part of the character. Miyagawa (talk) 21:15, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks. If you were to ever weave that into the article, you could re-add the category. -- Zanimum (talk) 01:24, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Agreed with the talk page that the whole Amal Kotay debate isn't something that can be resolved on Wikipedia.

Still remaining for me to review are the lead, pictures. -- Zanimum (talk) 18:48, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Pictures, lead good. Other than a brief explanation of what the Maquis are, it's ready for GA approval. -- Zanimum (talk) 01:24, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Great. I'll get that sorted tonight. I';; add a brief bit about the foreshadowing of the Maquis in TNG/DS9 too as it's directly stated as such in the source. Miyagawa (talk) 12:58, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Added a background paragraph about the Maquis. Miyagawa (talk) 13:42, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Very good, well worth the wait! GA! -- Zanimum (talk) 13:35, 18 March 2014 (UTC)