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KIM, Soon Bae, the current President of Chang Moo Kwan states that all Kukkiwon Taekwondo is the same, and no Kwan variations exist in Korea, or around the world. However, there are some schools in the USA that stayed behind the times and still cling to old Kwan methods.

He stated that this failure to follow the lead of the Kwanjang in this matter actually goes against Kwan principles and those

Actually the statement added to the Chang Moo Kwan sections is irrelevent to information about Chang Moo Kwan.--Bigzilla 04:55, 17 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Variations

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The variations do exist even though they may be minor. It could be something as little as the positioning of the hands in a block or fighting stance, but they are there. It is rarely if ever anything major, but there are still small noticable variations that exist. To say that they are gone completely is not completly true.

KIM, Soon Bae, the current President of Chang Moo Kwan disagrees with you. So does every other current Kwan leader, and they would know. Since they have a relationship with thousands of schools around the world, and you do not, I would go with their opinion on this. --Bigzilla 05:53, 27 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

First of all, I don't appreciate your comments. There are better ways to contribute to an argument than to put the other party down. Second of all, it would be nice to see references in English, as I cannot read Hongul, nor can the majority of the users on this site probably.

I don't think I put you down. I told you facts. I added some references. However, I did not add the Hangul, thought it is nice to see. Best Regards --Bigzilla 04:17, 30 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for taking offense. I know that there are others that are more qualified to make a judgement call on stuff like this than me. To tell you the truth, the only reason that I though otherwise is that I remembered the Kwan Jang Nim of our school system saying that you could still see vary vary small variations amongst the different Kwans. I may have misunderstood him, but I thought that's what he said. I'm going to check with him tomorrow just to see if that really is what he said. Regardless, if there are still variations they are very minute, and probably not worth arguing over. Out of curiosity, do you practice tkd? I guess that's a stupid question. There would be no reason for you to argue here if you didn't. Thanks! -Josh

No problem. Yes Josh, I do practice Taekwondo and have done so in various nations, including Korea. I teach it too. Generally, in Taekwondo, we say there is only one Kwanjangnim per Kwan. Example, in Chang Moo Kwan, there is only one person that can be called Kwanjangnim, he is Soon Bae Kim, the current President of Chang Moo Kwan. Is your school from Chang Moo Kwan roots?--Bigzilla 05:13, 1 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It is incorrect to state that ONLY Chang Moo Kwan had Chuan Fa influence. Both Chang Moo Kwan and Jidokwan had Chuan Fa influence. YOON, Byung In (Chang Moo Kwan founder) and YOON, Gae Byung both taught the Jidokwan, both had Chuan Fa training. --75.36.83.165 13:56, 14 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Citing conversations?

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I attend a school that had focused on chang moo kwan. (That focus is becoming diminished as we have new, younger instructors from Korea that do not concentrate on the kwans.) An older instructor explained what the name chang moo kwan means and I would like to contribute it to this article. However, I want to cite it properly before I do. My instructor said he and his instructor were given this information in conversation with Lee Nam Suk. How would I cite that as a reference? --Lance E Sloan 19:19, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I removed Scott Shaw's link. Who is this guy? He steals information for other websites and paste it on his own. Bigzilla 99.160.59.113 (talk) 07:19, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Speaking of citing sources, could we make sure that individual pieces of information are linked to the sources given? It's good that the sources are provided, but without clear links verifiability is more difficult to determine. Daliminator (talk) 00:46, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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