Talk:Charles Atlas/Archives/2012

Sources...

The sources for this article can be researched on Google. (And that is another reason why I cut out the bit about Atlas dying of a heart attack while jogging on the beach--I didn't find THAT particular article ANYWHERE!)

--jfritzyb

There is no source information and that is why the link has been shortened as well as why the quote is being taken off besides one website. Besides that the charles atlas home page has been put up under the guidelines it does have relevance to the article on wikipedia and as such it should remain. I am not removing the uk site, just that page to information which has never been proven. Docclint 16:18, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

There is a good article on Charles Atlas in a recent edition of Smithsonian magazine. I will check to see if this is regarded as a reputable source, but if it is this may provide verification for much of this material. 72.49.66.68 (talk) 05:51, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

what should be in the article

i think they should give more background on the workout, does it work? scientist should testit.is any one willing to do this?

He is also mentioned in the song "Sorry For Laughing" by Josef K. You could add this to the "Pop Culure References" section.

Took off another website that was trying to use Charles Atlas to promote their own site and sell their own products. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Docclint (talk • contribs) 17:24, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Yea it works...

I've used the Atlas Course in the past. It works. It has a lot of copy write on it, so it is doubtful you'll see it on the web... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 198.60.195.11 (talk) 13:37, 19 March 2007 (UTC).

A detail, but ...

... the term is Copyright--one word, no w, ending ght. 140.147.236.194 (talk) 15:31, 21 September 2009 (UTC)Stephen Kosciesza

Unless

You go to www.charlesatlas.com which is the company's official website, the course is still sold there.

I added the charles atlas website on the front page and also the references. Docclint 16:28, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

unsigned comment

Pardoned is putting up false information. There is never a source for the material that the person is putting up and when you go to the link there is nothing there either as a source. Mr. Atlas never said the quote this person speaks about. In fact this person I do believe is out to discredit Mr. Atlas and his legacy. Mr. Atlas has been an inspiration to me and millions of others around the world. Please stop putting up false information Pardoned. Also please stop putting up false links and then this person reports me for putting on the offical Atlas website as well. It is sad. Then someone else should put up this link: http://www.charlesatlas.com/about.html This tells even more about Charles Atlas the man and the website has a number of articles which are great as well talking about Charles Atlas. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Docclint (talk • contribs) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Docclint (talk • contribs) 22:43, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Your link provides no credible information about Charles Atlas. His website is inherently biased. You need a third party source to discredit Pardoned. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.134.164.199 (talk) 22:14, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Changed lyric to avoid infringement???

I added a fact tag particularly in the case of

It refers to a 98-pound weakling, a device that did not infringe{{fact}} Atlas's trademark on the phrase "97-pound weakling".

bcz the statement is not only unsourced but far-fetched: its wording all but says that non-infringement was the motivation for the change (and it must be removed otherwise), yet much longer phrases that were used would more likely have infringement problems. What we really need to keep it as is is verification that it was the reason, or that it didn't infringe and would have been the only infringement.
I haven't checked the scansion of the song, but more likely, 97, being a syllable longer, was a problem to the songwriter. I think the lyricist checked around and found that very few people are sure, so they could get away with the change without distracting more than a few geeks from the music. (I have a slightly stronger recognition reaction to 97 than 98, but then i've just seen the correct answer. Unprompted ("what was the weight of the weakling on the beach in the Charles Atlas ads?"), my American-mass-culture informant said "90".)
--Jerzy•t 02:16, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Smart quotes; Possessive form of his surname

_ _ In the sections i worked on, i removed the "smart quotes" i noticed, pursuant to WP:PUNC. (And it looks like i happened to get them all.) But that process drew my attention back to the discussions about the possessive of proper names that end in S (and i changed a few, mostly in sections where i was working on the smart quotes, without thinking much about consistency). Our guidelines at Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Possessives have three sentences on the subject, with 6 examples, and direct our attention to an article section, Apostrophe#Singular nouns ending with an "s" or "z" sound, with 5 non-definitive paragraphs, and several helpful additional examples. For my part, suffice it to say that i'm not interested in contesting which provision applies to Charles Atlas.
_ _ The reason i think the subject deserves mention is that (while there can be argument about whether the possessive of "Atlas" should be formed with just an apostrophe or with apos-S) a quote is a quote, word for word, letter for letter, and down to the punctuation marks. (The strong advice for conversion of smart quotes to plain quotes is probably the only punctuation change, in the case of a direct quote, sanctioned by WP's MoS.) Docclint (talk · contribs) added the quote

As is true of all the exercises in Atlas's course, you can do these exercises almost anywhere.

including Atlas's, at a time when the nearest Atlas-possessive (the only one in the same section) was one of the many (7 out of 9) in the article that used Atlas' as the possessive, so there's no reason to think they were just imitating other instances of the possessive of the surname. Unless you check the source and find that they somehow mistranscribed it, it is not permissible to change the quote: it becomes a misquote if you make it read "... Atlas' course...". (BTW, i did a Google search for the quote, but of the dozen or so raw hits in which Google didn't find the word "Wikipedia", even those were using old or new copies of the accompanying article.)
_ _ (Yes, as the MOS page notes, it's (at least) a little awkward to have different versions (even if all those outside of direct quotes agree). Hopefully no one thinks that's a reason to remove the quote! But it might be a reason for the apos-only advocates to consider granting the other side the benefit of the gray area, for this article only, throughout the article. I'll call that a suggestion: i don't intend to argue it (should i say "argue it further than this"?) in this forum, nor do more than clarify the areas where i turn out to have sown confusion.)
--Jerzy•t 07:26, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Oglethorpe University's Crypt of Civilization

I removed the following statement

Atlas's physical measurements are buried in the Crypt of Civilization, a time capsule at Oglethorpe University

Checking Oglethorpe's website, their inventory list of materials in the Crypt of Civilization do not include anything relating to Atlas.

— Stoshmaster (talk) 18:49, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

RE: The Who trivia

Who says Wikipedia writing can't be correct *and* fun‽ "John Entwistle poses on the cover as a panther skin-clad Charles Atlas alumnus, as the more muscular Roger Daltrey was otherwise occupied in a bathtub filled with baked beans." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Riffraffselbow (talk • contribs) 02:05, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

New source for reference in Literature

In the book "When I was cool: my life at the Jack Kerouac school" by Sam Kashner Charles Atlas is mentioned by poet Peter Orlovsky when he says how the memoir's author Kashner needs to work out since he looks like "before" or the "drawing of a man before he did the Charles Atlas exercise program". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.175.74.27 (talk) 14:31, 7 August 2010 (UTC)