Talk:Charles Singleton (songwriter)

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Did you know... that Charles Singleton wrote the lyrics for "Strangers in the Night", a song Frank Sinatra initially called "a piece of shit"?

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Finally, some sense. Someone tags this as an A7 Speedy Deletion. Um, fill in the blanks, don't just delete it, ask people to do the work... God the laziness that goes on inside Wikipedia is silly sometimes. Did you look to see if he was notable before tagging it or was it just tagged and forgotten about? Oaktree b (talk) 05:01, 13 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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I'm confused. This article is about Charles Fowler Singleton who was from Jacksonville and from the early 1950s was a songwriter, with Rose Marie McCoy and others. That much is clear, I think. However...
I have Eagle and LeBlanc's Blues: A Regional Experience, which dates his birth in 1913, and also says that he was a singer and saxophonist who "worked in the jump idiom, usually with vocalists Freddie Jackson or Jake Vaughn..."; "sang with Joey Thomas and for Atlas as leader (1952)...": and "recorded (1948-1955) for Star, Apollo, Decca, Faith (as singer with Budd Johnson)....." etc. It then says he wrote with McCoy, recorded with her in 1956, and went on to record twist songs as Charlie "Hoss" Singleton.
Setting that aside for the moment, here is his "twist" LP - credited to the Charlie "Hoss" Singleton Combo. I can't find any more information about that LP. But, it surely shows that he must have not only been a songwriter, but an instrumentalist or bandleader.
However, there was another Charlie Singleton - this one - "Charlie Singleton was a New York City-based saxophonist and bandleader who worked in a jump blues/R&B vein during the late '40s and early '50s. He and his group -- alternately dubbed the Charlie Singleton Combo or the Charlie Singleton Orchestra -- backed jump blues shouter H-Bomb Ferguson on a number of sides for Atlas Records in the early '50s. Singleton himself also cut a series of instrumentals for Atlas..." He is also mentioned here (as born in Kansas City, c.1930); and in this forum post it is said that he is the one who recorded in the 1950s on Apollo, Atlas, Decca, etc., with Freddie Jackson, Jake Vaughn, etc..
So, is it simply the case that BARE is wrong on this (I know it is not infallible) - in my note at the end of the article I have taken the view that BARE is in error. But, was the songwriter Charles Fowler Singleton in fact also the saxophonist and jump band leader? Can anyone help? Pinging @Bruce1ee: and @StefanWirz: Ghmyrtle (talk) 10:13, 8 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It seems that there are two Charlie Singletons. Have a look at the two AllMusic articles by Steve Huey, here and here. The first refers to him as a saxophonist and bandleader, the other as co-writing "Strangers in the Night", with a note "Not to be confused with another songwriter of the same name". I don't have access to your offline source, but perhaps BARE is confusing the two. —Bruce1ee^talk 14:26, 8 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

That is what I also think, but it would surprise me if the authors of' BARE had not examined this. In my experience, Allmusic is more prone to error than BARE, but in this case the reverse may be true. Ghmyrtle (talk) 07:55, 9 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Clearly we need more sources, but if it turns out that there are two Charlie Singletons, this article will have to be split. —Bruce1ee^talk 09:36, 9 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]