Talk:Chato people

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Requesting Merge With Chatot

This page should be merged with Chatot, as they refer to the same group. KiwiNova (talk) 18:03, 17 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@KiwiNova: Is there any information in this article not already found at the other? I agree it's a good candidate for merge and redirect. He iro 18:13, 17 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This article suggests that the Chato/Chatot/Chacato were a group of the Choctaw, whereas the other article offers evidence to refute that idea, so that might be something that needs to be settled when merging. KiwiNova (talk) 18:23, 17 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I noticed a number of other things that contradict the other article, as well. The Chato's language, for example, is listed as unknown, as is much about their way of life. The Chatot article, on the other hand, lists Muskogean as their language. I would hold off on a merger for now. I think the sources for both articles need to be checked to see if they contradict each other and the articles themselves need to be looked at for more contradictions. Until that is settled, I think that, for the moment, they need to remain separate. 12.185.211.194 (talk) 13:25, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Heironymous Rowe: So I've revisited this topic and found "The Native American World Beyond Apalachee" by Dr. John Hann, who is one of the most credible researchers in the field. He explores the Chato/Chatot/Chacato people.

Among the people of the world beyond Apalachee in the seventeenth century, the Chacato remain the best documented and best known for that time period. Still they have received very little attention over the last three decades or so in works published on Indians of the Southeast in general or on the natives of Florida in particular. So little known were these people a generation or so earlier that a scholar translating documents pertaining to Spain’s approach to Pensacola in the years 1689–1693 could identify the Chacato who participated in the venture as Choctaw. (pp. 28)

He argues that the Chacato spoke the same language as the Chine, Pacara, and Amacano, which has been identified with the Choctaw, Hitchiti, and Apalachee languages (all Muskogean) but states that there is insufficient evidence to make any further conclusions.

It might be best to just rewrite the entire article from the ground up. As an aside, I know that @Donald Albury: (sorry) has done a lot of work on the Chine and Amacano, so he might be able to offer more help.— Preceding unsigned comment added by KiwiNova (talk • contribs)

I just happened to stumble across this. I was not previously aware of this article ('Chato people'). (@KiwiNova:, I was not pinged, BTW, because pings only work if you sign your comment.) I've added a bit to 'Chatot' over the years, as I've come across sources, but, yeah, it may be time to rebuild it. Hann 2006 is a good place to start. There may be other useful sources that have become available in the years since I last looked specifically for Chatot/Chacato/Chactoo/Chato. Google Scholar may help. On-line sources (journal articles and books) that are behind paywalls may be accessible through the Wikipedia Library. KiwiNova, you will be able to use the library after you have reached 500 edits in WP. In the meantime, I've been working on a major expansion of another article, which combined with some real-life issues will limit what I can do on these articles for a while. But, after all, there is no deadline in Wikipedia. - Donald Albury 21:32, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Heironymous Rowe and KiwiNova: So, this seems to have fallen through the cracks. I had forgotten about it. Has anyone done anything on this? I suppose I could postpone some other things I wanted to work on, but I don't want to duplicate what anyone is doing. - Donald Albury 01:11, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have made 'Chato people' a redirect to 'Chatot'. I have not yet moved all of the contents cited to Sturtevant, Goddard, and Onofrio-Grimm to 'Chatot' because I do not have access to those sources and cannot verify the content or determine page numbers. I am planning to visit the local university's library in hopes of finding copies of those works there, but that requires taking a bus, which requires planning to avoid thunderstorms and heat. I also think the sources I do have access to cover almost everything cited to those sources in this article. - Donald Albury 21:41, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have merged what I could to "Chatot" (now moved to "Chacato") and made thia a redirect. - Donald Albury 18:54, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]