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Query re revert[edit]

Doug Weller, regarding this edit. Where is the incorrect spelling? And how does (presumably) a single incorrect spelling justify keeping unsourced info? Am I missing something? - Sitush (talk) 16:01, 2 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Actually ignore my edit summary when I just reverted, when I looked at my watchlist you hadn't edited, I should have refreshed it. I thought I was reverting [1]. Doug Weller talk 16:08, 2 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
No probs, Doug Weller. I'm not in the best frame of mind at the moment otherwise might have realised what you had done - Sitush (talk) 00:26, 3 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Vanity presses[edit]

I have just reverted yet another attempt in the recent onslaught of Thiyyar POV-pushing that is happening across several related articles. This time, a citation was provided but it was to a book written by a medical practitioner and published by Notion Press. He has no expertise in the issue and has published via a vanity press, which makes him utterly unreliable as a source. - Sitush (talk) 11:42, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 15 December 2019[edit]

I would like to edit this page as this page has been changed recently edited by someone with some intention and the edit was not based on the fact,So I would like to have your kind help to revert the change also.The user is also purposefully protected the page recently to prevent undo . So I would like to undo the edit and revert to the changes as of as of 02:30, 29 November 2019. Please see the change history below.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chekavar&action=history

Please let me know if you have any clarification. I can also provide the facts and evince to support this. Rhist (talk) 12:44, 15 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done. It's already been reverted further back than that. If you want to reinstate your changes, please achieve consensus for doing so first before making an edit request. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 16:45, 15 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ezhavas Vadakkan Pattukal[edit]

Vadakkan Pattukal describe the exploits of many communities, not just Ezhavas. For example, Tacholli Otheyanan was a Kshatriya (Kurup). So please rectify this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7F:463B:B800:554A:799:EB1:EAE9 (talk) 12:22, 13 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thiyya[edit]

Chekavar is subcaste Thiyya. Chakavar not ezhava. Cyscoss (talk) 08:53, 21 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

chekavar[edit]

Thiyyar family sure name is chekavar.ezhava chekavar wrong decision ezhava — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cyscoss (talk • contribs) 09:01, 21 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 27 December 2020[edit]

There's an error in the Etymology section, the meaning of Sevakar, Sevakan or Sevaka is "servant". The cited source itself says "the term has its origin in Sanskrit sevakan, meaning a servant", which is correct, see [2][3], it is also the same meaning in Malayalam [4] and Hindi [5]. The second sentence also has mistranslation, Hermann Gundert's dictionary [6] gives "a servant, soldier".

In the Origin section (the section should be retitled Depictions), the statement Hero stones were erected to commemorate men who had fallen in battle or cattle raids and were traditional during the Sangam period is incorrect and misleading, because Sangam period was in 300 BCE - 300 CE, the source clearly says "The hero stones from the period we are considering—9th to 13th centuries—generally bear ...". 2409:4073:28F:7BBF:BD91:9035:85F6:A3A3 (talk) 07:05, 27 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Opal|zukor(discuss) 12:38, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Opalzukor: Change "Chekavar is derived from the Sanskrit words Sevakar, Sevakan or Sevaka, which means soldiers in service or soldiers in royal service" TO "Chekavar is derived from the Sanskrit words Sevakar, Sevakan or Sevaka, which means servant". First paragraph in Origin section should be removed. It is not clear whether it is about Chekavar or actual servants. 2409:4073:9:3C2C:9A1:80AF:9232:A11F (talk) 16:50, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Chekavar not Ezhava[edit]

Chekavars are not Ezhavas....They are thiyyas...Ezhavas low caste to us.....not good... please correct it Vinay Chekavar (talk) 10:11, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 7 July 2021[edit]

George Mathews' source is not trustworthy. It says that Ezhavas are the Chekavars of the Vadakkan Pattukal, but in fact the Vadakkan Pattukal are related to the Theeya caste as well. This author's book was recorded as Thiyya centuries ago, and most books are written as Thiyya. Therefore, the source of George Mathew's should be removed and this source should be added.[7] A Sreedhara Menon says, "One group of songs known as Puthuram Pattukal relate to the family of the Tiyya hero, Aromal Chekavar, his sister Unniarcha and son of the latter, Aromalunni," ― page.81, Added the same part.106.208.9.158 (talk) 05.45 , 07 July 2021 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit extended-protected}} template. Run n Fly (talk) 14:42, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 7 July 2021[edit]

This part is given in the first part: "Ezhava, also known as Thiyyar is a major caste division in Kerala, a state on the southwestern coast of India. It is estimated that roughly 25% of Keralites are from this community. They are also known as Chovan or Chekons".Remove the given and add it: Nisha P.R says, "exceptionally talented Thiyya kalaripayatt practitioners were given the title chekavan / chekon, and each local ruler had his own militia of chekons" [8] Add this to the first part.] 106.208.9.158 (talk) 05.45 , 07 July 2021 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit extended-protected}} template. Run n Fly (talk) 14:42, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 7 July 2021[edit]

Add this too [9], [10]

Orgin is [11] 106.208.9.158 (talk) 05.45 , 07 July 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Run n Fly (talk) 14:47, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 10 July 2021[edit]

Eazhavas are not chekavar, The phot of above eazhava girl is not eazhava becouze they are not permitted to cover their breasts.Some one who stolen the history of thiyya community and published it as eazhava Kerala Facts (talk) 07:25, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: There is currently no image in article Run n Fly (talk) 14:44, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 10 July 2021[edit]

Why no one answered my questions ..?@54nd60x:, @Heba Aisha:, George Mathews' source is not trustworthy. It says that Ezhavas are the Chekavars of the Vadakkan Pattukal, but in fact the Vadakkan Pattukal are related to the Thiyya caste as well. This author's book was recorded as Thiyya centuries ago, and most books are written as Thiyya. Therefore, the source of George Mathew's should be removed and this source should be added.[12] A Sreedhara Menon says, "One group of songs known as Puthuram Pattukal relate to the family of the Tiyya hero, Aromal Chekavar, his sister Unniarcha and son of the latter, Aromalunni," ― page.81, Added the same part.106.208.9.158 (talk) 05.45 , 07 July 2021 (UTC)

But the same A.Sreedhara Menon introduced Thiyyas as Ezhavas of malabar in his work A Survey of Kerala history at page no 56.Please check it.

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit extended-protected}} template. Run n Fly (talk) 14:46, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thiyya is found in almost every history book and even the oldest book. If it is written like this even in the history book, shouldn't it be written like that? That's what Wikipedia is all about. So Ezhava needs to be corrected. All the books currently on this page are taken from other old documents, all of which appear to be theatrical. The two are the same category, so in some books it looks like Ezhava, but most of what is in the book should be added to Wikipedia, otherwise it would not be trustworthy to Wikipedia readers.[13]. [14]. [15]. [16] [17] Read more, write and correct the correct sentence.106.208.9.158 (talk) 16.38 , 10 July 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 13 August 2021[edit]

In Etymology section, change "Chekavar is derived from the Sanskrit words Sevakar, Sevakan or Sevaka, which means soldiers in service or soldiers in royal service" to "Chekavar is derived from the Sanskrit words Sevakar, Sevakan or Sevaka, which means servant". The cited source says "the term has its origin in Sanskrit sevakan, meaning a servant". For additional cross checking, see [18][19], it is also the same meaning in Malayalam [20] and Hindi [21].

Change "Hermann Gundert's English-Malayalam Dictionary, defines the term as militiaman and warrior" to "Hermann Gundert's English-Malayalam Dictionary, defines the term as servant or soldier", source: [22].

In Origin section, the sentence "Hero stones were traditionally erected during the Sangam period to commemorate men who had fallen in battle or cattle raids" should be removed as it is incorrect or improperly understood from the reference. Sangam period was between 300 BCE - 300 CE, the source clearly says The hero stones from the period we are considering—9th to 13th centuries—generally bear .... This is 9 - 13 century hero stone. 2409:4073:41D:EF20:94CC:7581:548A:77A6 (talk) 16:25, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit extended-protected}} template. It does not appear that there is consensus for this change. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:30, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 13 August 2021 (2)[edit]

Lead sentence fails MOS:LEADSENTENCE. Where is the description for Chekavar? Instead, it talks about something else. I suggest rewriting it as "Chekavars were warriors trained in Kalaripayattu who were the loyal servants of naduvazhis (chieftains) and landlords. The disputes between these nobles were settled in a payattu (duel), where chekavars representing them fought to the death. Generally, Ezhavas were employed as chekavars". [23]. 2409:4073:41D:EF20:94CC:7581:548A:77A6 (talk) 17:16, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit extended-protected}} template. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:49, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 7 November 2021[edit]

Add a brief description of the subjecr in the beginning of the article. Right now, it begins with a description of the Ezhava / thiyya caste not of the subject. The earlier version, "The Chekavar (also Chekava, Chekavan, Chekon, chevakar) were an martial group within the Thiyya caste, predominantly located in the Indian state of Kerala.[1][2][3]" can be used. 141.72.239.107 (talk) 09:15, 7 November 2021 (UTC) 141.72.239.107 (talk) 09:15, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit extended-protected}} template. This has been reverted many times in the past. Please gain consensus for this change. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:26, 10 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
But the article should begin with some description of the subject, right? As of now, the article starts with a completely irrelevant sentence. Add something that describes the subject please.141.72.239.107 (talk) 08:28, 12 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Is consensus really needed? This pretty clearly goes against MOS:LEADSENTENCE I don't want to just put back the suggested sentence if there was an issue with it, does anyone know why it as removed? Signed, I Am Chaos (talk) 05:54, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Can you point out which revision (from the page history you would like to revert back to. Thanks, SSSB (talk) 10:41, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
May be just add this sentence in the lead, "The Chekavar (also Chekava, Chekavan, Chekon, chevakar) were a martial group in the Indian state of Kerala." This will not have any objection as no caste name is mentioned here. You can use the reference from above. Thanks. 141.72.239.107 (talk) 14:21, 20 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Tol (talk | contribs) @ 20:17, 20 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Jumbos and Jumping Devils: A Social History of Indian Circus - Nisha P.R. - Google Books and Jumping Devils: A Social History of Indian Circus- Nisha P.R - Google Books
  2. ^ Aspects of Kerala History and Culture - K. K. N. Kurup - Google Books of Kerala History and Culture- K.K.N. Lit up - Google Books
  3. ^ Medieval Indian Literature: Surveys and selections - K. Ayyappa Paniker - Google Books Indian Literature:Surveys and selections - K.Ayyappa Paniker - Google Books

tag[edit]

The citation is approximate, so the tag is removed. 42.109.129.136 (talk) 06:45, 24 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Link to the Ezhava page[edit]

If you read the lead portion of the Ezhava page, it mentions that, "They are also known as Ilhava, Irava, Izhava and Erava in the south of the region; as Chovas, Chokons and Chogons in Central Travancore; and as Thiyyar, Tiyyas and Theeyas in the Malabar region. It appears, according to all of the sources on the Ezhava page, that the Chekavars are a sub-caste of the Thiyya community, who themselves are Ezhavas. Perhaps it would be advisable to mention that in the lead of this page, especially since the current lead is just 1 sentence long. 61.2.121.45 (talk) 07:24, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Chekavar is just a surname. Many historians who visited India said that they were a warrior class. It is true that there are such people among the Thiyya, but many who have visited India make it clear that the term Chekavar means a distinct race. Chekavar means the title of serving or a soldier. At the end of the name, this word was used as title. Currently there is no need to link to that page. A special family known as Chekavar is mentioned. That's why they are names. References [1][2][3][4] [5]

2402:3A80:19E4:57C7:6097:A30D:EB7A:471 (talk) 14:02, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Thomas A Green (2001). Martial Arts of the World An Encyclopedia volume 1. ABC clio. p. 176.
  2. ^ Edward Balfour (1862) (1977). The encyclopedia Asiatics, Comprising india Subcontinent. p. 274.{{cite book}}: CS1 maint: numeric names: authors list (link)
  3. ^ Nisha, P. R. (12 June 2020). Jumbos and Jumping Devils: A Social History of Indian Circus. ISBN 9780190992071.
  4. ^ https://books.google.co.in/books?id=nvI9AAAAMAAJ&q=chekors+title&dq=chekors+title&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&source=gb_mobile_search&sa=X&sqi=2&pjf=1&ved=2ahUKEwj_zIW2qsn6AhV36jgGHQj_CaoQ6AF6BAgHEAM#chekors%20title
  5. ^ https://books.google.co.in/books?id=tQ8oAAAAMAAJ&q=k.+k.+n+kurup+tiyya&dq=k.+k.+n+kurup+tiyya&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&source=gb_mobile_search&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi26-CQrMn6AhUyHLcAHRzvCeY4ChDoAXoECAkQAw#tiyya

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 1 November 2022[edit]

in the first sentence it is written 'commen' and please correct the spelling to common 2606:69C0:5120:310D:6D4E:BB75:30A8:CBDF (talk) 14:12, 1 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Done ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:25, 1 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

photo[edit]

can you add this photo?

AI-Generated Painting of a Kalari Warrior, Chekavar, in His Traditional Warrior-cum-Yogic Attire, Depicting a Traditional Kalari Warrior.

Afv12e (talk) 03:29, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: that's not a photo and I frankly, given its low quality and the fact that it's unsourced, i don't see what value it would add to the article. M.Bitton (talk) 11:35, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This article need an immedite correction[edit]

I checked most of the sources , and vast majority of the sources have nothing to do with what is is written , i wonder why it is not corrected . The claim that "chekavar formed chera dynasty"  ?? And the reference is a newsoutlet of india that too which says that "this person said , that person said etc ?? This claim is already remived from the page ezhava , you cannot make such a claim about a very old dynasty Bilgiljilll (talk) 08:40, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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