Talk:Cheverus High School

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Assess for Schools[edit]

Refs or cite tags most important to get a "B". Alumni and history to get a "mid". Welcome Victuallers 16:17, 30 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Assumed student contributions[edit]

Self attribution in edits[edit]

Ian Schwarz, would you please STOP putting your name in? Chamberlian 00:31, March 18, 2006 UTC

Whats the matter, you don't like Ian's name? Themuffin 17:30, March 20, 2006 UTC

I dislike vandalism. That is all that I am saying. Chamberlian 23:39, 29 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

School Respect[edit]

Have some respect for the school. Have some pride, honestly, what are you thinking? 72.43.48.145 20:58, March 20, 2006 UTC

This is a school project to show the pros/cons of Wikipedia...do not be discourged by this school becasue of the vandalism on the site!! Please un-block this page so that we can finish the project! thank you Patrickcdiamond 21:40, March 20, 2006 UTC

What the article could use[edit]

The article could use major cleanup, including:

  • a description of the faculty (the number of PhD vs Masters vs total number, male/female)
  • description of the student body (total, class breakdown, gender breakdown)
  • class descriptions, including the fact that Latin is offered
  • college placement information
  • SAT information again if linked to http://www.cheverus.org/info/AboutCheverus.asp
  • Notable alumni (eg Ian Crocker)

I'll work on it as I have time, but that's a general idea of where the article should move towards --Matt 08:59, 1 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • It should also talk about the transition from being an all boys school to being a coed school.

What Happened?[edit]

What happened to the paragraph about the sex scandal? It was factual, concise, and well cited. It was removed without explanation.

This isn't the way we do things on wikipedia. Barring vandalism, edits are discussed in a civilized manner without degenerating into "edit wars."

I'm putting the section back. 69.207.233.236 01:33, 16 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This isn't a coverup, so please remain civil/assume good faith. I accidentally reverted back one revision too late - I thought to myself "I need to undo the sex abuse removal" but only ended up doing something that was basically a no op. I meant to revert back to the version before the scandal was removed. --Matt 01:38, 16 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. Sorry about my initial tone. 69.207.233.236 01:28, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Not a problem. I'll make sure to watch it isn't removed. Cheers --Matt 01:40, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This paragraph seems to be overstated. I do not believe the sex scandal should have an entire section itself. It should be stated under history briefly. The sex scandal does not represent Cheverus High School's present identity. If a parent deciding where to send my kid to high school and I wanted a to learn about Cheverus High School, I believe this entire section would mislead her decision. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wrisigo (talk • contribs) 17:44, 15 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Fair use rationale for Image:Cheverus-Seal.gif[edit]

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BetacommandBot (talk) 19:46, 13 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed, lowered res, yadda yadda yadda. --Matt (talk) 22:53, 13 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Priest Involved In Boston Spotlight Scandal Plead Guilty For His Role In Sex Abuse at the School[edit]

This should be included. The school's sex abuse issue should also have its own section.2601:447:4101:41F9:F519:8A08:C13B:F190 (talk) 22:26, 2 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The sex abuse issue is covered. Adding information naming individuals is not appropriate, per WP:BLP and WP:SCH/AG. Please stop re-adding it until a consensus is reached here. Argument based in your preferences are generally ignored (see WP:ILIKEIT). Please argue from reliable sources and Wikipedia policies and guidelines. John from Idegon (talk) 00:40, 3 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'm afraid you are not getting far. You already showed bias in your edit summary when you stated Talbot is "not famous," and I doubt you are cooperating from a neutral point of view.2601:447:4101:41F9:F519:8A08:C13B:F190 (talk) 00:47, 3 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I also don't appreciate an edit summary that states I need to "start discussing." What have I been typing here then?2601:447:4101:41F9:F519:8A08:C13B:F190 (talk) 00:52, 3 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Still awaiting a rational argument based in sources and policy. Accusing another editor of biases without specific evidence is a personal attack.I've never even visited Maine and I'm not Catholic. I am, however, the coordinator of the Wikiproject that oversees this article. I'll be notifying both that project and the project on Maine of this discussion. You, nor I, unilaterally decide content on this or any other article. Consensus does. Consensus is formed by discussion on talk pages like this. Repeated reverting to your preferred content will only get your editing privilege suspended. So please stop and make rational policy based arguments for your proposed content. Until a consensus is reached, the content must stay out. That does not mean it is out forever (although that would be my preference). Consensus will decide the content. John from Idegon (talk) 01:08, 3 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The sex scandal should be included, and it is included, even without this material. Wikipedia is not censored. There is however, a danger of violating of wikipedia's policy on biographical information of living people. For this reason, the school article guidelines, which is an essay suggesting best practices for school articles, puts limits on naming individuals who are not independently notable (in the wikipedia sense). Since there are multiple Reliable sources, and mentions in various articles including Catholic Archdiocese of Boston sex abuse scandal, Sexual abuse scandal in the Society of Jesus#Diocese of Boston, it's clearly not a violation of BLP to include him. Malia, (not Mafia, as one editor kept adding) on the other hand, seems more up for debate because he was not convicted of a crime, but there are multiple reliable sources and he is mentioned in at least one other wikipedia article, Sexual abuse scandal in the Society of Jesus. It bothers me to see the history section as written by the ip because it appears Wp:UNDUE, but the exclusion of the material bothers me as well because we aren't to be the school's PR page, we are an encyclopedia, and these events are extremely significant, they are the only reason this school is prominent in national discussions. How can the material be presented while satisfying these concerns? Jacona (talk) 10:40, 3 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Further comment. The additions, as written appear to be a cut-and-paste from Sexual abuse scandal in the Society of Jesus#Cheverus High School. If it is determined it merits inclusion, it should be rewritten. Jacona (talk) 10:50, 3 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
There is now an article for Talbot. Jacona (talk) 12:35, 3 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
There is plenty of material for an article on Charles Malia.Jacona (talk) 11:20, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Should this material, including the naming of the perpetrators be included in the article?

  • Support I understand the reluctance to include this material in the article. It is unpleasant, it is disgraceful, it is sad. But it is certainly notable. The teachers did terrible things to children. The school and the society and the church became aware of these things, and dealt with it in such a way that perepetuated it without regard for the safety of the students. When they could not deny it anymore, they continued to deny compensation to the victims. It is, in many ways, the defining moment for the school, and therefore deserves a mention in the lede. The individuals who perpetrated these acts, Talbot and Malia, are the subject of much significant coverage in many reliable sources, so their naming in the article is appropriate. Jacona (talk) 11:30, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I can agree in principal with that. However, I'd like to see the content added narrowly focused on this school itself. The diocese's roll is and should be documented elsewhere, and can be referred to by linking. Same for the individuals. Jacona, you're a great writer. How about you put together a subsection for the history section and put it here for discussion? John from Idegon (talk) 16:56, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oops, reping. JaconaFrere John from Idegon (talk) 16:59, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the compliment! I agree with your admonition that the scope be narrow...if no one else gets to it first, I'll give this a fling in the next few days...my time is in demand at the moment...if it falls to me, I will probably start by creating Charles Malia and then return here.Jacona (talk) 18:17, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I was going to suggest that. One thing I am adamant on is that we not do an entire freestanding section, but rather a subsection under history. I realize this is bad, but disagree that it is defining. It is only defining if the school (and/or people associated with the school) chooses to make it defining. Thanks, Jacona! John from Idegon (talk) 20:51, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
As I've researched Malia, the situation is more intense than I had concluded while researching Talbot. The school knew they were bringing in pedophiles, when they were caught they vigorously denied it, they blamed the victims, they ostracized the victims. After Talbot was jailed, and they lost in a civil suit, the school defied court orders to provide counseling and other compensation.Jacona (talk) 21:42, 5 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps an article would be a better way to go? John from Idegon (talk) 22:18, 5 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe. There is a lot of material. Probably Talbot and (future) Malia article could be merged into it. I don't really enjoy authoring articles about awful people. Don't like giving them the recognition.Jacona (talk) 11:20, 6 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Connection with Irish-American Culture[edit]

As was cited on the page, Cheverus is a stop on the Irish Heritage Trail. The trail's article demonstrates that longstanding connection between Portland's Irish-American community and the high school. The school's own social media promoted its students meeting with Ireland's ambassador to the United States in 2019. The school also promoted its students involvement with traditional Irish dance. This is both common sense (since Portland has had a large Irish-American community for close to two centuries) and cited information.--TM 23:17, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Namiba: Could you please provide an example of how the source cited demonstrate the "longstanding connection between Portland's Irish-American community and the high school"? Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 14:08, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The source, which is sponsored by the Maine Irish Heritage Center, provided gives "an Historical Tour of Maine Irish Heritage Sites." The school's inclusion on the Maine Irish Heritage Trail is evidence of a longstanding connection.--TM 14:19, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Namiba: Being included on what is little more than a personal blog does not make it so. Please provide a specific example from the source cited which demonstrates the "longstanding connection between Portland's Irish-American community and the high school"? Magnolia677 (talk) 14:44, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I concur with Magnolia677. The source is a blog with no indication of who is sponsoring it or reviewing content. It is not a reliable source. —C.Fred (talk) 15:46, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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