Talk:Child prostitution in Thailand

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This section of the article is based on an apparent POV to discredit Buddhism, and is flawed in both it's political (one-sided) agenda and it's attribution of great influence of religion on prostitution. To elaborate, the author of this section uses examples from Buddhist writings to support a notion that there is an inherently anti-women undercurrent in its teachings. While sources are cited, they represent only sources supporting the authors POV. There are many Buddhist teachings that would not support prostitution or the subjugation of women. The topic of religious persecution of women is entirely too complex to be defaulted to a purely doctrinal discussion. Regional culture, whatever the practiced religion, seems to have a far greater impact on the treatment of women in societies across the world. Islam relates to women in entirely different manners from country to country. In the same way, Japanese, Tibetan, Chinese, Indian, and South East Asian Buddhism all have unique characteristics. The author of this piece also fails to discriminate between different, non-regional delineations of Buddhism: hinayana, mahayana, vajrayana, theravada, Shambhala, academic Buddhism, or monastic Buddhism. Thus, as this section of this article is too flawed to be considered cohesively credible or accurate, I propose it be removed. -John Wimberly <info@wimberly.ca> — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.224.242.130 (talk) 16:55, 26 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]


In accordance with Prostitution in Thailand talk page discussion, I am proposing that this section, which is identical to the religion section there, be removed. It relies on a single source to construct a POV argument that paints Buddhism as being responsible for prostitution. It also makes such WP:OR comments as:

The sect of Buddhism practiced in Thailand makes prostitution nearly inevitable.

Within these rules, the first three are actually women who can be paid for their services. In short, these rules allow prostitution and view it as completely acceptable.

Thus, religion has set a social precedent for prostitution that makes women inferior and more fitting for prostitution in the eyes of society.

They face constant abuse and harassment, but remain steadfast because of their strong religious upbringings.[

As a result, many young girls that enter prostitution remain there in accordance with their religion.

These sorts of claims should be backed up by surveys and sociological research. They aren't. It seems to be an excuse to attack Thai Buddhism as misogynistic. It isn't appropriate material for an cyclopedia. --Pstanton (talk) 06:07, 21 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]


While if anyone wants to delete it, fine, but I believe I have managed to resolve the issue with POV and OR satisfactorily. --Pstanton (talk) 06:56, 21 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Many beliefs allow for prostitution. Many belief systems (sadly) consider women inferior. Neither of these are specific to Buddhism. Furthermore, being compatible with a belief system and being endorsed by a belief system are two very different things. -Matt 26 Dec 11 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.31.138.54 (talk) 05:20, 26 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

One of the worst articles I have ever seen on wiki[edit]

The entire crux of this article relies on the story from The Pattaya Daily news. A publication started by an American, Drew Noyes, who claimed in Thailand to be a lawyer in the US but actually has only a history of fraud in the US. http://www.andrew-drummond.com/2013/07/my-arrest-for-extortion-is-private-says.html

He used The Pattaya Daily News to publish his biased agenda and bring business to his bogus Pattaya One Stop Legal Center and it has no business being cited as a primary wiki source. Any small amount of due diligence with a search engine will further discredit this publication and the man behind it.

This article should be tagged with several disclaimers at the top such as disputed accuracy, not enough citations and disputed neutrality. Clearly there is an agenda here, it's obvious from the opening sentence.

I don't have time to debunk all the sources but I find several of them to be dubious after taking just a few minutes to look into them.

The article really needs help but I do not have the stomach for the inevitable edit war that will ensue. I'm just not that prolific of an editor.

8+ year resident of Thailand 180.183.87.76 (talk) 21:41, 29 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It is difficult to disagree with your critique of this page. Part of the problem is relying on NGO's for source material or quotes. Thus we will see words like "slavery" when the so-called victims are free to come and go as they wish. NGO's are notorious for exaggerating the scale of any problem in order to obtain funding for themselves. The greatest child prostitution problem in SE Asia is Cambodia, where all the NGO's combined manage to involve themselves in about a dozen arrests a year. The arrests are always of sex-tourists, but the reality is that 99% of the problem in Cambodia is "local on local". The NGO's do not go after these cases because frequently these are children working in brothels that are either owned by corrupt cops or politicians, or are being extorted by same. It is not unknown in Cambodia, for child prostitutes coming to the attention of the local police, to be raped by the police.

Indeed there is a Wiki editor: Susan Bryce, who runs an NGO in the Philippines and also contributes to the subject of child prostitution and if you think this article is biased, you should see what the International Federation of Red Cross say about her total lack of integrity.

Another point made here is that that the Police ignore Child Prostitution except when there is a public scandal. If that is so, then the pubic must be frequently scandalised as there are frequent reports in Pattaya newspapers of arrests in connection with this issue.

Finally, I should mention that I came to this page via another Wiki page "Child Prostitution". In that article it claims there are up to 800,000 child prostitutes in Thailand. Yet when you come to this page, it suggests that there an estimated 2,000 child prostitutes in Pattaya. If that were the case, then there would have to be 400 "Pattayas" to achieve 800,000. The reality is that as with Cambodia, the problem is mainly "local on local" and that most of it takes place in village brothels that are generally off the beaten track. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.111.155.138 (talk) 23:43, 18 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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