Talk:Christian conditionalism

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Table of terms regarding the intermediate state

I've drawn up a table of terms at Talk:Christian mortalism#Table of terms regarding the intermediate state following intensive discussions there. Editors may wish to comment on the accuracy of the table. St Anselm (talk) 22:19, 2 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I still think this is just vocabulary generating largely duplicate WP articles. What's the difference between Froom, a Seventh Day Adventist, calling it one thing and scholars of the Puritans calling it mortalism, or annihilationism? In ictu oculi (talk) 13:36, 23 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Rename page to "Conditional immortality" and expand

"I have a difficult time understanding what a piece of secular fiction has to do with a Christian doctrinal issue."

You. You there Darlig Gitarist. Quit all this scurrying around. How do you expect to outrun me when I am already here?

They're both fiction. There is no distinction between fiction and religion.

Your personal belief that your religion is reality itself, does not apply to Wikipedia. Heaven and Sburb have equal amounts of citations from reliable sources regarding their existence.

If you truly did read both the Christian Bible and Homestuck, then how do you have a hard time seeing it? Conditional immortality is a central theme in Homestuck. It's in fact what the entire work depends upon, Lord English attaining unconditional immortality. Then those who have to fight him are all either only conditionally-immortal or mortal. Homestuck BC goes further, exploring in detail the conditions that may rule a death Heroic or Just and thus permanent, when Jade Harley threatens suicide.

And how do you forget that horrific scene of Vriska begging Tavros to kill her on her quest bed, so she could stop suffering and ascend to conditionally-immortal god tier, the death on the quest bed being the main condition to get it at all? What's the difference between death on a quest bed and belief in an ancient carpenter's divinity?

However, a simple "see also" is insufficient, and to those who did not understand the works it may appear a tenuous link.

I will write additional information and restructure the entire article to no longer be about Christianity exclusively. You've lost already due to the NPOV rule, so let's figure out how to make this work. (Additionally, Homestuck is far more notable than Seventh-Day Adventism. Check the numbers and amount of influenced culture, events, and shifts in society.)

I will also look for other examples of conditional immortality that are not from Christianity or Homestuck, and add them to the page. We could work together to make this quite a nice page, as I'm certain that many other cultures have the same concept. Seventh-Day Adventism's section may have to be resized according to its notability with regard to the overall topic. So it's in both of our best interests to work together rather than get into an edit war.

Oh, I'll also add transhumanist cryonics and biological immortality as forms of real-life (potentially, in the former case) conditional immortality. I'll make sure to focus on how biological immortality evolved.

Christianity does not have exclusive rights to conditional immortality as a concept.

LesbianTiamat (talk) 09:57, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

LOL! What did I do to deserve your rant? This has got nothing to do with what I do or don't believe. Look at the title of the article. This is not a discussion of conditional immortality as a general topic. The subject is "Christian conditionalism" not conditional immortality. Referencing some graphic novel that has ZERO to do with the subject is puzzling.

Also, I am not trying to win or lose. The information in Wikipedia articles should be relevant to the specific topic. Therefore, adding irrelevant links such as your constitutes bloat. See Wikipedia:Relevance.

I will await someone who also has an interest in this specific subject to delete your completely irrelevant addition to this article. Darlig 🎸 ^{Talk to me} 22:52, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]