Talk:Church of Saint Michael, Vienna

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Lorenzo Mattielli …[edit]

… died in 1748, so he cannot be the creator of the high altar in 1782. He created the angel on top of the porch in 1724. Alas, I do not have hard evidence (otherwise I would have corrected the front side). --Herzi Pinki (talk) 23:46, 26 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It's the right sculptor, but the wrong year. According to two sources (including Art Platform) Mattielli executed the "Fall of the Angels" in 1724–25. The high altar was constructed by Jean-Baptiste d'Avrange in 1782. Thank you for identifying the error, which I've corrected. Bede735 (talk) 01:57, 27 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The source you have listed says: Figurengruppe auf dem Portalportikus, Der barocke Portalvorbau stammt von Antonio Beduzzi, die Gestaltung des Dreiecksgiebels unterlag Lorenzo Mattielli. Dargestellt ist der "Engelssturz". which means Group of figures on the portal portico, The baroque porch is by Antonio Beduzzi, the design of the triangular pediment by Lorenzo Mattielli. Shown is the "Fall of the Angel(s)." Precisely, it shows the expulsion of Lucifer from Paradise. Executed by archangel Michael. I do not see any evidence for the high altar in the source given. BTW, you have corrected the date of the work of Mattielli to 1782. As he already died in 1748, this must be one of the greatest miracles in art history of religious buildings. :-) According to [1] the work on the high altar was executed by Carl Merville. I will fix it. The best source in the end: [2] (German only). --Herzi Pinki (talk) 09:29, 27 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I changed the date from 1782 to "1724–25" in my edit, but still, I think you are correct that Merville constructed the high altar sculpture and that Mattielli did the exterior portico figure group in 1724–25. I think the confusion lies in the title—both the high altar decoration and the portico figure group are titled Engelssturz (Fall of the Angels) in many English sources. For example, Art Platform and Kirchen-Fuehrer. Bede735 (talk) 12:24, 27 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The Crypt[edit]

That "only noblemen and rich citizens were buried in the crypt" is blatantly false. Until 1783 all kinds of people were buried in the crypt, most of them poor regular citizens, such as Mozart's father-in-law Fridolin Weber.--Suessmayr~enwiki (talk) 15:07, 22 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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